FLASHBACK: "Russia Hid Saddam's WMDs" (Washington Times, 10/2/03)

The Washington Times (via FrontPageMag) ^ | October 2, 2003 | Ion Mihai Pacepa

[Cboldt]

Another WMD story resurrected from the past ...

UN Says: WMDs Smuggled From Iraq; Canadian PM Says in Terrorist Hands
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1159339/posts

[wildcatf4f3]

bttt

[RusIvan]

Who cares whether THEY dumped them, or WE confiscated them?

The result was the same - terminated.

Why can't the White House sell this simple message?===

Because Washington always talked about the threat of OPERATIONAL WMD of Saddam not about his WMD programs. Tony Blaer even scared the members of his Parlament with 20 or 45 minutes of readiness of Saddam WMD.
If you remember few month after Bagdad taking the special commands of militaries seached for "hot WMD".

Back down to just WMD programs is the confession that pre-war explainations was wrong.

[RusIvan]

If you ask them to prove that WMDs were not taken out, they can't.
We should start a new mantra to counter the "Bush lied" mantra: WMD were moved out.==

Better to ask them to prove that WMD did not exists:))). It is just like "guilty until proven innocent" formula:).

I would be interested what you answer if road police stopped you and tell "mister just prove us that you didn't break any rules".

[tentmaker]

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[Alia]

Link no longer found: www.adn.com/24hour/story/1245613p-8299749c.html, entitled: Russia boasts weapon to overcome U.S. Star Wars

snip:

MOSCOW (March 29 [2004], 5:17 am AST) - Russia has designed a "revolutionary" weapon that would make the prospective U.S. missile defense useless, Russian news agencies reported Monday, quoting a senior Defense Ministry official. The official, who was not identified by name, said tests conducted during last month's military maneuvers would dramatically change the philosophy behind development of Russia's nuclear forces, the Interfax and ITAR-Tass news agencies reported. If deployed, the new weapon would take the value of any U.S. missile shield to "zero," the news agencies quoted the official as saying.

The official said the new weapon would be inexpensive, providing an "asymmetric answer" to U.S. missile defenses, which are proving extremely costly to develop. Russia, meanwhile, also has continued research in prospective missile defenses and has an edge in some areas compared to other nations, the official said

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[eastforker]

I have been saying this all along. Now to have the WT report it is one thing, still speculation at this point, but our state department can not make these alegations without severe repercusions.

[wolfcreek]

Why can't the White House sell this simple message?


In order to do that, the WH would have to out Russia and others for their involvement. This alone could explain the WH's silence. (that damn Diplomacy again)

[Grampa Dave]

The question that no one is asking is how did the MSM and the rat politicians of America know before the first phase of the Iraqi war was over, basically no WMDs were in Iraq.

There is only one way the MSM and our rat $inators, who hasn't been correct on anything about Iraq could have known that basically there were no WMDS in Iraq.

They were told by $addam or who ever moved the WMDs out of Iraq, that they were no longer in Iraq.

[Grampa Dave]

CHENEY FIGHTS BACK Wed Nov 16 2005 18:56:46 ET Excerpts As Prepared For Delivery Tonight by Vice President Cheney

"What we’re hearing now is some politicians contradicting their own statements and making a play for political advantage in the middle of a war. The saddest part is that our people in uniform have been subjected to these cynical and pernicious falsehoods day in and day out. American soldiers and Marines are out there every day in dangerous conditions and desert temperatures – conducting raids, training Iraqi forces, countering attacks, seizing weapons, and capturing killers – and back home a few opportunists are suggesting they were sent into battle for a lie."

"The President and I cannot prevent certain politicians from losing their memory, or their backbone – but we’re not going to sit by and let them rewrite history."

"We’re going to continue throwing their own words back at them. And far more important, we’re going to continue sending a consistent message to the men and women who are fighting the war on terror in Iraq, Afghanistan, and many other fronts."

[cgk]

Thanks! No, I hadn't seen those posts, though I had read "some" background on the Iraq-Libya-Egypt-Iran-DPRK WMD linkages...

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Reposting your links here, for later reading altogether:

Iraqi WMD Debate and Intelligence: the Links to Libya

The Iraq War ISSA Special Reports

Iraq, Iran, North Korea and WMD: Threat Activated

Libya, Iran, DPRK Discuss New Strategic Missile Procurement

Libyan NoDong SSMs Reported Targeting Southern NATO Sites and Israel (November 8, 2000 )

Weapons Grade Uranium Moving in Middle East; Iraqi WMD and Delivery Development Being Undertaken in Libya (October 1, 2002 )

[Light Speed]

Russia Tests Missile Designed to Overcome US Defense Shield

November 03, 2005 Moscow (CNSNews.com) - Russian media are hailing an intercontinental ballistic missile test, calling it a successful demonstration of the military's capability to pierce the U.S. anti-missile defense shield.

The Topol-M intercontinental ballistic missile has unique capabilities, making it virtually invulnerable, Russia's leading television broadcaster, Channel 1, commented Wednesday.
Trud, a pro-government daily, said the American anti-missile defense umbrella was no longer a problem for Russia because the test-launch demonstrated that the newest warhead could overcome it.
On Tuesday, Russia test-fired the new missile a new Topol, which boasts a range of some 10,000 kilometers. It was fired from a ground-based launcher and hit a target in a testing ground in neighboring Kazakhstan, the Defense Ministry reported.
Russia's Kommersant daily said the military claimed that "maneuvers" by the warhead during the final stretch of its trajectory would prevent missile defense systems from intercepting and destroying the incoming missile.
This would therefore be Moscow's "asymmetrical" response to the U.S. missile defense system, it said.
Deployment of the new warheads would begin next year, Strategic Missile Forces commander Gen. Nikolai Solovtsov announced last month.
Russia recently test-fired a Bulava missile from a nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine. The Bulava is a modified, sea-based version of the land based Topol-M.
If successful, Topol-Bulava missiles would be the first intercontinental weapon system Moscow has created since it withdrew from the SALT-2 treaty with the U.S. in response to the American missile defense plans.

[Alia]

Wow. Does Russia "issue" one of these releases a year? They are nearly identical.

[Alia]

After Oil4Food broke, I saw that official "Russia" had declared (via Pravda) they'd not used any of the illicit oil4food monies. That they had been above aboard. 2. At a later date Russia began wrangling at the US (again) making "dire" threats, and countries like Estonia, etc., clearly said they'd be facing their guns towards Russia, if Russia did not clean up its act.

Diplomacy via checkmate. No time at moment to bring up the links.

[csmusaret]

Bush disarmed Saddam.

[Light Speed]

Thanks for the ping and the links.

Guess their are alot of dissed countries who never stepped back to think that so much transport of material was bound to be noticed.
Next is Pakistan and the screw up AQ Khan.

Even China got caught running out N.K. missile parts and spares on flagged container ships and on airline.
Congress even sat for a day session just on China's sleazy manuveres.

some nations were taking their orders unfinished......ship it now as is before U.S. and Israel set up to interdict on the shipping lanes

The U.S. had to invade Iraq and send a message to Moscow,Bejing and where ever moon children are tuning in.
The level of transfer activity margined that soon enough Israel would get jittery and go on somebody.
The mideast would become another round of super power weapons sales.
Henry Kissinger comented on a Charlie Rose program a year or so back...that in the previous mid east wars,
The U.S. intention was to showcase the superiority of its weapons sytems via Israel and rub Moscows noses in it..allong with the salivating moon children.

Moscow must have freak out repeatedly after some of these quick smash Israeli wars.
In 1973 on the Golan,
Israel finally settled the Russian missile umbrella in Sinai and could then double up sorties of Skyhawks and Phantoms on Syrian mech divisions.

There's not much in the way of film stock or photo's.
The story line goes that Israel layed on the napalm and cluster muni's...coupled with refortified tank platoons decimated from the first week.
The Syrians finally broke and ran.
They left hundreds of intact tanks and mech assets idling in the sun and hoofed it home in a full scale sprint.
The battle area was called the Valley of Tears by the Israeli's.
Syrians just got slaughtered.
In 82...they got slaughtered again...especially their airforce.

In 82...IDF discovered that one group of moon children where a handfull and would stand and fight.
That being the Hezbollah in south Lebanon.
On a journal rehash program of the 82 war...was a film segment where a Lebanese Druze from the Suf mountains was being held up at an Israeli checkpoint.
Upset that he was not allowed to return home he yelled....

"Why can't I go home....there's no one up there...you've killed them all"!

The Israeli soldiers wearing Raybans just smiled.

On final

Some time back on CNN Robert Noval was freaking and spitting that Bush was in Iraq fighting Sharons war.
On the surface this is incorrect....yet not entirely untrue.
Lacking resource depth for a sustained conflict which could easily see Egypt and Syria involved...and maybe Jordan after their airspace is violated...maybe even the Saudi's.
Israel would have to lay it on heavy and quick.
The entire mid east would spiral away.
with Russia and China on the phones offering weapons systems for cash and oil futures.

[Light Speed]

Wow. Does Russia "issue" one of these releases a year? They are nearly identical.

LOL....it seems so : )

Maybe Russia is a little tenative now to crow about undertakings....especialy after the fiasco a year or so back when Brass showed up to watch missile launches during manuevers.
One missile flew off wildly and another glitched in the silo.
back to back screw ups.

Pravda made a gallant attempt to paint the reality a different color.
Then ran some articles later about the decline of Russia's military.
Wonder if someone went to a Gulag after that......maybe Joe Biden knows : )

Still...and apart from the **Canned news feeds.
Russia is about with advanced gen weapons which focus on jamming,multiple interface tie in on rotation in 4CI combat....and ya...3d movement

These weapons margin you cannot assure you have them down after engagement.
You are definitley on the defensive...and thats what an opponent is wanting in fluidic battle.

These weapons are not likely to have wopping punch unless they are micro boosted nukes.
Plasma and phasic discharge weapons are just around the corner.
you get EMP'd...burnt to a crisp...and the detonation value is high yeild.

Once energy module's which prime this type of system is scale'd down.....these are sure to be the hammer of choice.

Just around the corner could be 20 yrs.....or less.
Plasma guns allready exist and are being scaled down in components.

[Alia]

Thank you very much for this explanation; appreciate it. And yes, I think you are right that this will be "around the corner" before we know it: Plasma and phasic discharge weapons. These would be so much more manageable and portable than a missile booster.

Light Speed? You heard anything about Russia/France joint space programs? Few years back, I was digging into that; I was surprised at the time to see them working together.