Posted on 11/14/2005 10:07:22 AM PST by Nachum
When Bush treats a trusted ally the same way Europeans treated Czechoslovakia in 1938, what do you expect? Freepers may be conservative but we don't fall down to the feet of the President and worship him when he is 100% dead wrong.
Could it be that Bush's MidEast policy toward the Pali/Israeli conflict sucks? That he is an open borders globalist just like his old man, that his family are longtime friends of the Saudi regime, that they are Arabists, and that James Baker was not, and is not, a friend of Israel?
____Maybe Bush is just giving US interests priority?
We have supported Israel as an ally but US interests are paramount.
When Bush treats a trusted ally the same way Europeans treated Czechoslovakia in 1938,
___This is just a slur.
what do you expect? Freepers may be conservative but we don't fall down to the feet of the President and worship him when he is 100% dead wrong
_____True.but you don't slander him by comparisons to those who appeased Hitler!!
Right on! Well said!
Condi said "no."
It is not slander. What else do you call it when a supposed friend and ally forces a nation to commit national suicide? That is precisely what Bush is doing. If anything he is laying the groundwork for a second Holocaust. My comments about him were relatively mild.
BTW, the first person to compare Bush policy to appeasement of the Nazis was Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in 2001. I wish he would remember that speech. He was absolutely right.
What else do you call it when a supposed friend and ally forces a nation to commit national suicide?
_____And why would Bush want to do that to Israel?
That is precisely what Bush is doing. If anything he is laying the groundwork for a second Holocaust.
_____Israel is militarily the most powerful nation in the Middle East..your statement is out of reality.
My comments about him were relatively mild.
BTW, the first person to compare Bush policy to appeasement of the Nazis was Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in 2001. I wish he would remember that speech. He was absolutely right
__A vile, anti-American statement which I am sure he regrets.
"We have supported Israel as an ally but US interests are paramount."
Well, if U.S. interests are to set a policy that is almost guaranteed to coddle terrorist Pali's, and definitely is guaranteed to end up with more dead Israeli's, then that policy stinks. Israel is the only democracy in the middle east, until Iraq votes on December 15th, and becomes the second democracy (thanks to President Bush). You don't set up your allies for the kill, and by allowing the Pali's to control the border crossing between Egypt and the territories, you are allowing a continual flow of arms over that border, which the terrorists will use against Israel in short order. Some friendship with Israel.
if U.S. interests are to set a policy that is almost guaranteed to coddle terrorist Pali's, and definitely is guaranteed to end up with more dead Israeli's, then that policy stinks.
___Such are the customary slanders of the Bush administration that appear on these Middle East threads...it is in the US interest to support Israel AND work to create a peaceful Palestinian state....
Israel is the only democracy in the middle east, until Iraq votes on December 15th, and becomes the second democracy (thanks to President Bush). You don't set up your allies for the kill,
---Paranoia. Israel can crush any Palestinian force.
and by allowing the Pali's to control the border crossing between Egypt and the territories, you are allowing a continual flow of arms over that border, which the terrorists will use against Israel in short order. Some friendship with Israel.
____Israel has now come to an agreement about this,so I guess you should be be bashing Sharon along with Rice, Bush, and the intentions of America.
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it is in the US interest to support Israel AND work to create a peaceful Palestinian state....
create a peaceful Palestinian state is a contradiction in terms, peaceful and Pali state are mutually exclusive in concept.
____Israel has now come to an agreement about this,so I guess you should be be bashing Sharon along with Rice, Bush, and the intentions of America.
I do bash Sharon for this, he is selling out. And now he is also out of the Likud Party, which he helped to create. The Likud Party is the CONSERVATIVE party, in case you didn't know. And now Sharon will create his own party with Shimon Peres (the once Labor Party enemy who has been rejected by his own party), to be a new party of moderation, appeasement, and caving in to the Pali's. Let's see just what fools the Israeli's will be in selling out their country to the enemy by voting Sharon back in. It will undoubtedly happen and then Sharon/Peres will also sell out the Israeli people by withdrawing from the West Bank territories.
Sharon, the one who initially helped to create the settlements in the territories, now turns on them. Sharon has gotten dotty in his old age, and believes his legacy will be establishing a faux peace w/the Pali's and aiding in the creation of their to be terrorist new state. What a fool.
Time will tell, and time will not be kind to Israel if it continues on this path of appeasement with the enemy. Sharon is the nanny for Bush and Bush's policies, and Bush too is trying to create his own legacy on the back of Israel, by having a phony "peace" agreement, and the creation of a Pali terrorist state. Some legacy.
the Likud Party, which he helped to create. The Likud Party is the CONSERVATIVE party, in case you didn't know.
____Irrelevant from the standpoint of US interests. Tony Blair is a leftist, but supports us in Iraq...the Brit Conservatives have ccriticized us...AMERICAN conservatim begins with American national interest,
AMERICAN conservatim begins with American national interest,
Only time will tell who is right here as to Israeli policy under Sharon and the Bush Administration's influence with Sharon to pursue the Oslo Accords as written. We can continue this discussion about 5 years from now, when all of the fallout from this most likely will be evident. We'll see then. But what is evident is that Sharon is no longer a conservative party leader. He has jumped the shark and is forming a moderate government which will have as one of its main new party members, Shimon Peres, a liberal. Off to a bad start.
evident. We'll see then. But what is evident is that Sharon is no longer a conservative party leader. He has jumped the shark and is forming a moderate government which will have as one of its main new party members, Shimon Peres, a liberal. Off to a bad start.
__Liberal and conservative mean different things in different countries...Sharon is not a socialist and Peres is, but national security issues can override political ideology--we ally ourselves with liberal-socialist Tony Blair on the war on terror.
In the end, the US has to consider its own interests, not political ideology or the different political parties in other countries.
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