It's time to take down the 9th Circuit Court!
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Posted on 11/12/2005 11:34:21 AM PST by wagglebee
I advocate rules that require delegates to disclose relationships to various interest groups including teachers unions. But how are such rules going to be passed if the deliberative bodies that make such rules are all controlled by the teachers union?
As they say in New England, "You can't get there from here."
Government is hardly a puppet, right now it is our master. Try not paying your property taxes and you will realize it is far from just being a puppet.
Teachers unions have influence (From an ignorant electorate) but again, what gives them means, who created the means and more importantly who continues putting the them in office?
Are you actually trying to say there are more teachers than actual registered voters in America? Give me a break.
It's time to take down the 9th Circuit Court!
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Catholic teaching on the subject:The Truth and Meaning of Human Sexuality - Guidelines for Education within the Family
Four Principles Regarding Information about Sexuality65. [1]. Each child is a unique and unrepeatable person and must receive individualized formation. Since parents know, understand and love each of their children in their uniqueness, they are in the best position to decide what the appropriate time is for providing a variety of information, according to their children's physical and spiritual growth. No one can take this capacity for discernment away from conscientious parents.
66. Each child's process of maturation as a person is different. Therefore, the most intimate aspects, whether biological or emotional, should be communicated in a personalized dialogue. In their dialogue with each child, with love and trust, parents communicate something about their own self-giving which makes them capable of giving witness to aspects of the emotional dimension of sexuality that could not be transmitted in other ways.
67. Experience shows that this dialogue works out better when the parent who communicates the biological, emotional, moral and spiritual information is of the same sex as the child or young person. Being aware of the role, emotions and problems of their own sex, mothers have a special bond with their daughters, and fathers with their sons. This natural bond should be respected. Therefore, parents who are alone will have to act with great sensitivity when speaking with a child of the opposite sex, and they may choose to entrust communicating the most intimate details to a trustworthy person of the same sex as the child. Through this collaboration of a subsidiary nature, parents can take advantage of expert, well-formed educators in the school or parish community, or from Catholic associations.
68. [2]. The moral dimension must always be part of their explanations. Parents should stress that Christians are called to live the gift of sexuality according to the plan of God who is Love, i.e., in the context of marriage or of consecrated virginity and also celibacy. They must insist on the positive value of chastity and its capacity to generate true love for other persons. This is the most radical and important moral aspect of chastity. Only a person who knows how to be chaste will know how to love in marriage or in virginity.
69. From the earliest age, parents may observe the beginning of instinctive genital activity in their child. It should not be considered repressive to correct such habits gently that could become sinful later, and, when necessary, to teach modesty as the child grows. It is always important to justify the judgement of morally rejecting certain attitudes contrary to the dignity of the person and chastity on adequate, valid and convincing grounds, both at the level of reason and faith, hence in a positive framework with a high concept of personal dignity. Many parental admonitions are merely reproofs or recommendations which the children perceive more as the result of fear of certain social consequences, or related to one's public reputation, rather than arising out of a love that seeks their true good. "I exhort you to correct, with the greatest commitment, the vices and passions that assail us in every age. For if in some stage of our life we sail on, deprecating the values of virtue and thereby suffer continuous shipwreck, we risk arriving in port devoid of all spiritual charge".
70. [3]. Formation in chastity and timely information regarding sexuality must be provided in the broadest context of education for love. It is not sufficient, therefore, to provide information about sex together with objective moral principles. Constant help is also required for the growth of children's spiritual life, so that the biological development and impulses they begin to experience will always be accompanied by a growing love of God, the Creator and Redeemer, and an ever greater awareness of the dignity of each human person and his or her body. In the light of the mystery of Christ and the Church, parents can illustrate the positive values of human sexuality in the context of the person's original vocation to love and the universal call to holiness.
71. Therefore, in talks with children, suitable advice should always be given regarding how to grow in the love of God and one's neighbour, and how to overcome any difficulties: "These means are: discipline of the senses and the mind, watchfulness and prudence in avoiding occasions of sin, the observance of modesty, moderation in recreation, wholesome pursuits, assiduous prayer and frequent reception of the Sacraments of Penance and the Eucharist. Young people especially should foster devotion to the Immaculate Mother of God".
72. To teach children how to evaluate the environments they frequent with a critical sense and true autonomy, as well as to accustom them to detachment in using the mass media, parents should always present positive models and suitable ways of using their vital energies, the meaning of friendship and solidarity in the overall area of society and of the Church.
When deviant tendencies and attitudes are present, which require great prudence and caution so as to recognize and evaluate situations properly, parents should also have recourse to specialists with solid scientific and moral formation in order to identify the causes over and above the symptoms, and help the subjects to overcome difficulties in a serious and clear way. Pedagogic action should be directed more to the causes rather than to directly repressing the phenomenon, and, if necessary, they should seek the help of qualified persons, such as doctors, educational experts and psychologists with an upright Christian sensitivity.
73. The objective of the parents' educational task is to pass on to their children the conviction that chastity in one's state in life is possible and that chastity brings joy. Joy springs from an awareness of maturation and harmony in one's emotional life, a gift of God and a gift of love that makes self-giving possible in the framework of one's vocation. Man is in fact the only creature on earth whom God wanted for its own sake, and "man can fully discover his true self only in a sincere giving of himself". "Christ gave laws for everyone...I do not prohibit you from marrying, nor am I against your enjoying yourself. I only want you to do this with temperance, without indecency, guilt and sin. I do not make a law that you should flee to the mountains and deserts, rather that you should be good, modest and chaste, as you live in the midst of the cities".
74. God's help is never lacking if each person makes the necessary commitment to respond to his grace. In helping, forming and respecting their children's conscience, parents should see that they receive the sacraments with awareness, guiding them by their own example. If children and young people experience the effects of God's grace and mercy in the sacraments, they will be capable of living chastity well, as a gift of God, for his glory and in order to love him and other people. Necessary and supernaturally effective help is provided by the Sacrament of Reconciliation, especially if a regular confessor is available. Although it does not necessarily coincide with the role of confessor, spiritual guidance or direction is a valuable aid in progressively enlightening the stages of growth and as moral support.
Reading well-chosen and recommended books of formation is also of great help both in offering a wider and deeper formation and in providing examples and testimonies of virtue.
75. Once the objectives of the information to be provided have been identified, the time and ways must be specified, starting from childhood.
[4]. Parents should provide this information with great delicacy, but clearly and at the appropriate time. Parents are well aware that their children must be treated in a personalized way, according to the personal conditions of their physiological and psychological development, and taking into due consideration the cultural environment of life and the adolescent's daily experience. In order to evaluate properly what they should say to each child, it is very important that parents first of all seek light from the Lord in prayer and that they discuss this together so that their words will be neither too explicit nor too vague. Giving too many details to children is counterproductive. But delaying the first information for too long is imprudent, because every human person has natural curiosity in this regard and, sooner or later, everyone begins to ask themselves questions, especially in cultures where too much can be seen, even in public.
76. In general, the first sexual information to be given to a small child does not deal with genital sexuality, but rather with pregnancy and the birth of a brother or sister. The child's natural curiosity is stimulated, for example, when it sees the signs of pregnancy in its mother and experiences waiting for a baby. Parents can take advantage of this happy experience in order to communicate some simple facts about pregnancy, but always in the deepest context of wonder at the creative work of God, who wants the new life he has given to be cared for in the mother's body, near her heart.
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That's exactly the point. The federal government HAS no role in public education, and therefore a federal court COULD NOT overrule a local school board. This is the basis of federalism.
The Court got this one right. This was, properly understood, a CONSERVATIVE opinion about the limits of the power of the federal judiciary.
What these parents should do is either sue in state court, or run for election to their local school board, or move.
Damn straight. Justices Scalia, Thomas, and Roberts would all uphold this opinion. The federal courts simply have no power to interfere with idiotic local school boards.
That would be incorrect, it will be overturned by SCOTUS and Clarence Thomas and Scalia will vote with the majority.
The holding by Reinhardt is not "CONSERVATIVE", it is MARXIST and anybody who has read it should recognise that instantly.
Dr. Dobson is a good guy. Pat Robertson makes way too many off-the-deep-end pronouncements. Dobson is a good spokesperson for Christian conservatives most of the time. Pat Robertson isn't.
Of course he does. I think he knows that the court didn't break any new ground here; all it did was rule that individual parents don't have veto power over the curriculum, which is something they never had anyway. So instead of recognizing that obvious fact and working from there to encourage parents to homeschool or send their children to private school, he takes the easier route by futilely railing against a straighforward ruling in hopes of pumping up his base so that they'll boost his ratings.
Bump
You're absolutely right. Everyone else on this thread doesn't like the result, so they assume it was wrongly decided. But that doesn't always follow.
There is a federal law giving parents the right to prevent schools from doing this type of stuff with kids without the consent of the parents. But these parents signed a waiver permitting their kids to take this survey. They signed the waiver without knowing what was on the survey, which was stupid. But sign it they did.
The parents in this case were asking the federal courts to invent a new Constitutional right. The right of parents to be the only people permitted to teach their kids anything about sex. Well, that may be a right they "should" have, but I'd love to see anyone here quote the particular part of the Constitution in which that fundamental right is found.
The proper rememdy for this is legislative -- either at the state or federal level. In fact, the Feds did have a law, but the parents waived their rights. You don't invent new Constitutional rights jsut because you think they "should" be in there.
Now, all that aside, Reinhardt is a hypocritical activist who has no problem inventing new Constitutional rights that he believes are appropriate. But in this
case, he was right not to do it.
This clause was included because the Nazis kidnapped infants and raised them in the Hitler Youth, without their parent's consent, and this was universally seen as and declared to be a crime against humanity.
The state does not own children. When the state steps between the parents and their children, it becomes tyrannical, and loses its legitimacy. No order to that effect by any imaginable authority binds anyone in the slightest degree. Moreover, it is everyone's duty to disregard any such order, as clearly as it would be their duty not to gas innocent people to death en masse, just because some tribunal told them to.
#16: I would work there in a heartbeat.
Well said.
What would you advise be done to change that?
With some brave exceptions, the Parents are all too happy to have the State raise their children.
Home schooling means a stay-at-home parent and family income almost halved.
Private and parochial schools mean tuition and family income greatly lowered.
Most Parents do not want a lowered standard of living contemporaneous with less adult toys.
The libs and unions know all too well the ins and outs, ups and downs, and wants and desires of apathetic, "me-me-me" American Parents.
So they proceed and attack our mores with impunity everywhere they choose.
Leni
On that point you are probably correct. That wasn't what I am talking about. You just had a nice contingent here support a Federal lawsuit in Pennsylvania on a local school curriculum. There is, IMHO, an undercurrent in all this that vaguely reminds me of the Elian case, i.e., that children are the property of the State.
I've seen people argue that when a parent sends their child to school, that they lose all rights to know and influence what that child is being taught. That is unadulterated BS. It's one thing if the parent is warehousing his/her kids, its another when there is a legitimate concern.
I guess the only solution is to pull the kids out of the public school system and either homeschool or perhaps start the 'old red schoolhouse' which would work outside 'the system'.
Okay, let's say you're right regarding Robertson. Do you really think a consideration of that is all that's going on with regard to what the press does to him? I don't.
I'd actually agree with your assessment regarding Robertson, but I don't see ANYONE on the left being demonized by the media as nonsensical due to their leftist pronouncements.
No, this is just an attempt to pull a 'Falwell' on Robertson. And once they neuter him, they'll move on to Dobson, and you better beleive they'll neuter him as well for some issue blown out of proportion. That's what our leftist MSM does these days.
I support Robertson's right to make public statements, either right or wrong. We can support him when he's right and laugh when he's not, but the MSM should have no say about it.
Glad to hear it.
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