What the heck is wrong with you, Mr. President?

MAKnight | 11/09/2005 | MAKnight

[Cboldt]

Goodness, you want to complain but not be part of the solution! Who woulda thunk it?!

All you need to do is strike your assertion "rules that would have shut down every home business in America."

But you know what? Leave it in. It may cause skepticism of other of your assertions. It is true, you can fool most of the people, most of the time. Carry on! I can see that you don't welcome constructive criticism or factual correction.

[Southack]

"Carry on! I can see that you don't welcome constructive criticism or factual correction."

What chutzpah! I asked you to give me a brief correction and link and offered to include it; you declined.

Then you turned around and claimed that I don't welcome corrections.

[Southack]

See post #238.

[glock_fan]

I agree. I have also stopped giving money to the RNC and NRSC. The NRA, CRPA (CA rifle and pistol assoc.), Minutemen, and legitimate charities are the only groups I will contribute to anymore. For good measure I also send back the postage paid donation envelope to the RNC and NRSC with the donation filled out for zero dollars and no check. They get dinged twice for postage everytime they send me one of their donation requests.

[Cboldt]

What chutzpah! I asked you to give me a brief correction and link and offered to include it; you declined.

It was the other guy who didn't give you a link. But his presentation seemed straightforward enough. You are certainily entitled to persist in the assertion "rules that would have shut down every home business in America."

Then you turned around and claimed that I don't welcome corrections.

I observed your exchange re: the OSHA ergo regulations, and participated in an exchange relating to President Bush's expressions regarding the impact of human activity on climate. I have concluded that in your mind, "you are right," and with that, I shall cease this dialog. You have the last word.

[dvwjr]

It was stated that:

"President Bush killed Kyoto by first unsigning that treaty and then signing a new XO that repealed former President Clinton's Kyoto enforcement order."

and also that:

"... the day before he left office, Clinton signed an Executive Order implementing the Kyoto Protocol. George W. Bush wrote an Executive Order canceling Clinton's executive order. The environmental lobby took Bush to court and sued in the Clinton federal court in DC to override Bush's executive order. The DC US District Court ruled that, in this one instance, a new president could not vacate the Executive Order of an outgoing president since HIS MOTIVE FOR DOING SO WAS PURELY POLITICAL."

Source: The Future of Global Oil Supply

Ah, more Internet bullsh*t I see... Why rely on facts when wildly stated rumors are so much more fun... Federal Courts have no say over Executive Orders being issued or amended or revoked.

Here is a link to the Executive Orders issued by President George W. Bush while in office.

Here is a link to the Executive Orders issued by former President William J. Clinton during his terms in office.

Notice that the closest that Bill Clinton came to trying to 'enforce' the Kyoto Protocols (which he caused to be signed but was never submitted to the US Senate for consideration) was Executive Order 13148 "Greening the Government Through Leadership in Environmental Management" signed April 21, 2000 and Executive Order 13149 "Greening the Government Through Federal Fleet and Transportation Efficiency" signed April 21, 2000.

Notice that if you actually LOOK you will find President Bush never revoked a 'Kyoto enforcing' executive order - because there NEVER was one... However, President Bush did 'un-sign' the Kyoto Protocol that Clinton had signed in his lasts few weeks in office. Clinton's signature was meaningless since treaties must be ratified by the US Senate before the US can be considered signatories of said treaty. President Bush did it to make a point... Clinton could have the executive branch of the Federal government be 'green' and 'eco-friendly' but that sort of eyewash always goes over well with the Greenies when they can't get their way in the Congress.

But hey, hysterical assertions from screwball Internet sources are more fun, aren't they...

dvwjr

[Cboldt]

Ah, more Internet bullsh*t I see...

Yeah. My 223 said that too, pretty much for the same reasons you gave.

As they say at school ... "read on."

[Chunga]

Yours is the most inane, worthless post I've read here in 7 1/2 years. Congratulations, Bashbot.

[Cboldt]

Berger's judge was and is a Clinton appointee.

Appointed in July 1988 would make United States Magistrate Judge Deborah A. Robinson a Reagan appointee.

Deborah A. Robinson
United States Magistrate Judge
District of Columbia
Washington, D.C.

Judge Robinson was appointed Magistrate Judge of the United States District Court for the District of Columbia in 1988.

Born in 1953, Judge Robinson attended Morgan State University, graduating with a B.A. in 1975. She then went to the Emory University School of Law, receiving her J.D. in 1978. After law school, Judge Robinson served as a law clerk to the Honorable H. Carl Moultrie I, Chief Judge of the District of Columbia Superior Court. From 1979 to 1988, she worked as an Assistant United States Attorney for the District of Columbia.

Judge Robinson is a Master of the William B. Bryant American Inn of Court and a Fellow of the American Bar Foundation. She is also a member of the Washington Bar Association and the Bar Association of the District of Columbia.

http://www.jtbf.org/article_i_judges/deborah_a_robinson.htm

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Magistrate Judge Deborah A. Robinson

Magistrate Judge Robinson was sworn in as United States Magistrate on July 18, 1988. She is a graduate of Morgan State University and Emory University School of Law. Magistrate Judge Robinson clerked for Chief Judge H. Carl Moultrie I of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia from 1978 to 1979. Following her clerkship, she joined the United States Attorneys Office for the District of Columbia, where she served for eight years prior to her appointment.

http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/robinson-deborah-bio.html

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By Associated Press
Published April 2, 2005

WASHINGTON - Sandy Berger knew better than almost anyone the ground rules for handling classified documents. As President Bill Clinton's national security adviser, he routinely reviewed the government's most closely held secrets and determined what needed to remain off limits to the public.

But on Friday in federal District Court, he admitted sneaking classified documents out of the National Archives in his suit, cutting up some of them in his office and then lying about it.

U.S. Magistrate Deborah Robinson didn't ask why and Berger never attempted to explain.

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/04/02/Worldandnation/Berger_pleads_guilty_.shtml

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Provided By: The Associated Press
Last Modified: 9/8/2005 2:56:25 PM
By HOPE YEN - Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A judge on Thursday ordered Sandy Berger, President Clinton's national security adviser, to pay a $50,000 fine for illegally taking classified documents from the National Archives.

The punishment handed down by U.S. Magistrate Judge Deborah Robinson exceeded the $10,000 fine recommended by government lawyers. Under the deal, Berger avoids prison time but he must surrender access to classified government materials for three years.

http://www.11alive.com/news/usnews_article.aspx?storyid=68970

[Cboldt]

... the Kyoto Protocol that Clinton had signed in his lasts few weeks in office.

Heheh. Seems Clinton himself didn't even sign it. The timeframe was a couple years before the end of his second term.

For Immediate Release
Thursday, November 12, 1998

STATEMENT BY VICE PRESIDENT GORE
ON THE UNITED STATES' SIGNING OF THE KYOTO PROTOCOL

Our signing today of the Kyoto Protocol reaffirms America'scommitment to meeting our most profound environmental challenge -- globalclimate change. ...

http://clinton4.nara.gov/CEQ/19981112-7936.html

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For Immediate Release November 12, 1998

STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY

Acting U.N. Ambassador Peter Burleigh is today signing the KyotoProtocol on behalf of the United States.

http://clinton4.nara.gov/CEQ/19981112-7790.html

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On November 12 -- during the Buenos Aires negotiations -- Acting U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Peter Burleigh signed the Kyoto Protocol, allowing the US to become the 60th nation to sign the protocol. Administration officials indicated, however, that they would not submit it to the Senate to be ratified. Vice President Gore stated: "Our signing of the Protocol underscores our determination to achieve a truly global solution to this global challenge. We hope to achieve progress in refining the market-based tools agreed to in Kyoto, and in securing the meaningful participation of key developing countries. Signing the Protocol, while an important step forward, imposes no obligations on the United States. The Protocol becomes binding only with the advice and consent of the U.S. Senate. As we have said before, we will not submit the Protocol for ratification without the meaningful participation of key developing countries in efforts to address climate change."

Several Republican members of the congressional delegation to Buenos Aires-- Representatives James Sensenbrenner (R-WI), Joe Knollenberg (R-MI), Jo Ann Emerson (R-MO), Joe Barton (R-TX), and Ken Calvert (R-CA) -- voiced their displeasure in the signing of the treaty and issued the statement: "Signing this treaty without intending to submit it to the United States Senate for ratification as required by our Constitution sends conflicting messages. In effect, the Clinton Administration is trying to have it both ways. The interpretation by other nations will be that the U.S. intends to implement the Kyoto Protocol. But by not submitting the treaty immediately to the Senate for ratification, the Administration is attempting to tell the American people who are concerned about soaring energy prices and the loss of jobs: 'Don't worry, signing this document doesn't mean anything.'" The representatives called on President Clinton to immediately submit the treaty to the Senate for ratification.

http://www.agiweb.org/legis105/climate.html

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[a few miscellaneaous links ...]

CNN - US signs global warming treaty - November 12, 1998
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d105:S.Res.98:
November 9, 1998 Byrd Letter to Clinton

[wolfcreek]

quit taking $hit from the Dems.

This is what really gets to me. The lies, the incessant ravings, the biased media and the weak-kneed congress that doesn't seem to know what party they belong to. No one seems to have found a way to stop these things only, to tell us it's part of our long standing form of debate, the thing that makes our country great. IMHO, it,s destroying our country and making us appear weak and fumbling to the rest of the world.

[NYC Republican]

That would be great, but I don't think she wants to go anywhere near it.

[inquest]

Federal Courts have no say over Executive Orders being issued or amended or revoked.

I'll admit that I got a little taken in by that posting, simply because I don't put anything past federal courts these days.

[NYC Republican]

If you get a chance, read the results of the Wall St Journal/NBC Poll. If anyone thinks that's biased, they're being fools. The Dems have overtaken the GOP on taxes! By 10%. They have a 12% margin when asked which party would voters choose.

I lay the blame squarely at the GOP leadership, Bush and Cheney especially. THEY set the tone and agenda for everyone else. THEY have allowed all of this media frenzy, and leftist lies, to flourish. What a shame. Oh yeah, what a DISGRACE!

[irons_player]

Snow balls chance as long as Rove is there.

Also a big mistake. Replacing a left leaning conservative with a left leaning liberal is not what the President needs right now.

[NYC Republican]

Wall Street Journal poll states that 57% believe that the President purposely mislead them about the justification for war, and only 35% believe that acted in good faith and gave us the best info that he had. The administration's effective silence and totally inept communications wing has allowed the lies to spread virtually unrefuted, which threaten to become permanently established political urban legends. Totally avoidable and inexcusable

Exactly what I've been saying for a couple of years, and been blasted for saying, by fellow FReepers. Thanks.

[hedgetrimmer]

CAFTA - President Bush signing CAFTA

This would be a BAD thing, and one reason why many conservatives are having problems supporting the president.

[NYC Republican]

The administration's effective silence and totally inept communications wing has allowed the lies to spread virtually unrefuted, which threaten to become permanently established political urban legends.

Trace the roots back to the '00 election, when the leftist monsters claimed there was voter surpression, and intimidation. NO ONE disputed it, so... of course, it was repeated in Ohio.

How about asking for proof. They of course never did.

[AxelPaulsenJr]

Go back to du amigo, been here a month already?

[AxelPaulsenJr]

Excellent, bttp.