Posted on 11/06/2005 11:31:58 AM PST by Heatseeker
The first openly gay Anglican bishop, Gene Robinson, has called for the Roman Catholic church's attitude to homosexuals to be confronted.
The Bishop of New Hampshire said the Vatican's ban on ordaining gay men was "vile", in a speech in London.
He received a standing ovation after his speech, in which he spoke of how he had faced prejudice in his role.
Some Anglican conservatives had called for the St-Martin-in-the-Fields church venue to be changed to a secular one.
Battle for soul of church
Bishop Robinson said: "We are seeing so many Roman Catholics joining the church.
"Pope Ratzinger may be the best thing that ever happened to the Episcopal Church."
He continued: "I find it so vile that they think they are going to end the child abuse scandal by throwing out homosexuals from seminaries.
"It is an act of violence that needs to be confronted."
His speech at St-Martin-in-the-Fields, in Trafalgar Square, was part of the 10th anniversary of the gay rights group Changing Attitude.
He had been asked not wear his full vestments or take part in the religious service before addressing the audience from a lectern rather than the pulpit.
"I'm here to encourage you to talk about God," he said.
"I am not here to talk about a social agenda. I am not here to grind any axes, I am here to do the thing that Christians do, that is to witness to the good of God."
'Full inclusion'
The London Diocesan Evangelical Fellowship, which includes senior lay and clergy members, had urged the Archbishop of Canterbury to move the Bishop's talk to a secular venue to prevent "damaged relations" between sections of the church.
The Bishop said his home state in the US was "the one place in the world where I am not the gay bishop - I'm just the bishop... it is a wonderful feeling".
He said homosexuals would eventually be fully welcomed in the church but warned that it may take some time.
"This is going to end with our full inclusion," he said. "We won't live to see it, but it's going to happen."
Church rift
On Thursday the New Hampshire bishop met Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, and said he wanted to help heal the rift caused by his consecration, but would not give up his post.
His conscecration two years ago attracted widespread criticism from the more conservative African and Asian sections of the church.
Changing Attitude is an organisation which calls for the Anglican Church to "fully accept, welcome and offer equality of opportunity to lesbian, gay and bisexual people".
He is due to address a congregation in Stockport later on Sunday.
I thought when he was installed he said he wouldn't push an agenda?
I wonder what the Episcopaleans would think if Rome called for Catholics to confront the Anglican bishop?
Oh yeah...that'd be "hate speech," huh?
Gee, the radical Episcopalians are certainly not full of ecumenical respect these days. This is of a piece with the lack of respect for religious freedom of the gay activists.
Why doesn't he go after the 'church' that really has a problem with 'gays'? ISLAM!
FYI
This disgusting offense to Christianity isn't fit to carry the Pope's jock strap.
Vicky should STFU and ruin one church at a time.
If the RC ban is resulting in more Episcopalians, then what is he complaining about?
Perhaps he's just jealous, and wants to be Pope Vicki.
Bishop Robinson said: "We are seeing so many Roman Catholics joining the church.
Then what in the heck is she complaining about if soooooooo man Roman Catholics are joining the church? She should be happy. Oh wait, she won't be happy until they ALL join her church. Don't hold your breath there vicki
"Bishop Robinson said: "We are seeing so many Roman Catholics joining the church...Pope Ratzinger may be the best thing that ever happened to the Episcopal Church."
who is joining Robinson's Church? Andrew Sullivan? The elites in the Episcopal Church should stick to doing what they do best. Excusing terrorism and bashing Israel.
Henry the VIIIth is turning in his grave, for what he wrought.
All sinners are welcome in the church.
But those who declare sin is a virtue don't belong in an organization who's values they don't believe in.
Much less in positions of leadership.
Do they actually hold services at St. Martin-in-the-Fields? I've never noticed anyone actually worshiping there. They do have a decent, inexpensive cafeteria in the basement, and there are candle-light Baroque concerts in the nave on Thursday nights. Oh, and brass-rubbings. You can make rubbings of brass-relief (pun intended) figures in the gift shop.
But in light of the fact that more Catholics attend Mass on Sunday than Anglicans attend their respective services - in a country where Anglicanism is (still) the established church, I'd say we RC's needn't feel compelled to take "bishop" Vicki's "advice" seriously. (The Brompton Oratory is usually packed on Sunday morning.)
Bnelson44 asked, "I thought when he was installed he said he wouldn't push an agenda?"
Well, Robinson lied, and nobody really thought he meant a word of it. I think that is the biggest problem with the church that first ordained him, and then called him a bishop.
Henry VIII did not create the Anglican Church.
It was originally the Celtic Church, joined the Roman Catholic Church under St. Augustine, was constantly a pain the the ass to Rome (it was generally in favor of de-centralization of authority and freely tranlated the Bible into English, among other heresies), and was in the process of breaking back off when Henry hitched his wagon to the running horse.
He's not "Anglican." He's Episcopal.
While there used to be no difference, the Anglican Church is in the process of kicking the Episcopals out of the Anglican Communion. . . and the conservative congregatiosn are leaving ECUSA.
Example:
christchurchmidland.org (a former Epsicopal Church).
I was re-writing this story to shorten it down to it's basic points and I came up with:
Homosexual attacks Catholic Pope's Stand
BBC | November 6, 2005
A homosexual has called for the Roman Catholic church's attitude to homosexuals to be confronted.
The homosexual said the Vatican's ban on ordaining gay men was "vile".
That was the entire story - it showed nothing of consequence or importance - the rest of the article was only so much pap. I erased it all.
These things that homosexuals do are simply repulsive to the core.
From the tone of Jean's little tantrum,I'd say that he hasn't "gotten any" in a while.Well fear not,Jean...I'm sure that there are plenty of bathouses in London.Make sure to bring your "I am disease free" card with ya,because in the UK,you won't get in without it.
Robinson is one of those maggots Ted Koppel was talking about when he said that some people think of the Ten Commandments as the Ten Suggestions. This clown is no bishop. He's just another homosexual with an agenda.
":^(
Response: With the increasing homosexualization of the large Christian denominations the churchgoer might consider St. Paul's advice to the Corinthians:"... come out from among them..."
Comment: The fruits of the uncritical attitudes of "Tolerance," "forgiveness," and then adding the non-scriptual "hate the sin but not the sinner." The latter statement assuming the sin and sinner can be separated!
So now you add lying to your already long list of sins, Vickie???
Funny, my Catholic parish keeps growing, but that's based on actual numbers of people joining, rather than what that "bishop" thinks is happening.
On our worst day, I don't hear Catholics expressing as much frustration with Catholicism than I hear Episcopalians complaining about their church on general principles. It's really sad what he and his ilk have done to that church.
Gene Robinson is a piece of work.
Amen. I left to become a Methodist, but decided that I did not fit in with that bunch either. It is garbage like this that makes me proud to now be a Catholic.
After defrocking a methodist minister for her lesbian relationship (she wasn't celibate), they now turn around and reinstate her.
If homosexuality is not a sin, and adultery means nothing anymore, then why even have church? Catholic politicians and catholic citizens practice abortion and support it. They hold gambling at churches to raise money. Why even have preachers telling a congregation what they need to do to go to heaven, getting saved and being a good Christian? What the hell is church good for???
I don't get it - nope - I just don't get it. BUT - there IS the Baptist church which is just as strict as Islam is. They absolutely abhor abortion, gambling, and especially homosexuality.
If the trend continues to be a Christian shall be like Rome 60 AD i.e. small groups of people meeting at night.
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I cannot believe the attendance is even that high. The Catholic Church will certainly welcome those wise enough to leave the Episcopal nightmare.
screw this ignorant bastard of a person, he is a freak show and shouldn't have any voice at all and is nothing but a waste of air
stop trying to cure Aids, let it do what it is good at
A man who leaves his wife and children to pair up with another man calls the RC church "vile?" Interesting.
BTW, why are liberal Episcopalians lousy at chess? They can't tell a Bishop from a Queen.
Any person leaving the Catholic Church to join a Church with a queer Bishop, the Catholics are well rid of.
When you know what the turd-burglars do, "pushing an agenda" just isn't much of a leap.
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Nothing new here. Let's speak the truth, his church was invented by a king who wanted toi divorce and remarry as many times as he wanted to. When Rome said "No", he got somebody to make himthe head of his own church. With roots like these what would you expect from a queer ( their word not mine)who left his family to engage in serial sodomy with another queer ( their word not mine)?
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It amazes me that anyone believed this Bishop did not have an agenda. He should tend his own garden.
Vickie Gene surfaces again! Doesn't he know his 15 minutes are over? I mean, like soooo over...
This man specializes in Mega-lies.
Clearly Our Lord believes he still can amend his life, pray that he does.
Only fascists and Nazis (oops, conservatives) "push an agenda."
Liberals "speak truth to power."
I hope this isn't really necessary, but </s>.
Bishop Robinson said: "We are seeing so many Roman Catholics joining the church."
This must be why I occasionally read stories of whole Anglican/Episcopalian congregations converting together to Catholicism.
That's odd. For some reason I pictured his congregation on their knees and elbows.
"Pope Ratzinger may be the best thing that ever happened to the Episcopal Church."
With those kind of Catholics leaving the church Benedict XVI may be the best thing that happened to the Roman Catholic Church as well. I love God's winnowing fan.
>>BTW, why are liberal Episcopalians lousy at chess? They can't tell a Bishop from a Queen. <<
It's because they spend the knight looking at the pawn. (Ya hafta say it with a new england accent.)
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