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Chertoff says porous border problem won't be solved quickly
KRISTV.com ^ | 11-02-05

Posted on 11/02/2005 8:35:04 AM PST by SwinneySwitch

EL PASO, Texas -- Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff said Tuesday following an evening tour of the Mexico-U.S. border that solutions to illegal immigration problems won't come easily.

"It's not going to be solved in a day, or a week, or a month," Chertoff said at an El Paso park overlooking the city and neighboring Ciudad Juarez, Mexico. "It's been building for a long time."

Following his first nighttime tour of the border in El Paso, the Homeland Security secretary said a host of solutions, including temporary work programs, should and will be looked at in trying to solve a problem that he said has gotten out of control.

"We are not in control and are not where we need to be," Chertoff said.

He also said changes need to be made in a so-called "catch and release" program that has allowed thousands of illegal immigrants from countries other than Mexico to be released after agreeing to appear in immigration court.

The secretary said he has already implemented an expedited removal program and hoped that a new "catch and remove" plan would better serve as a deterrent to illegal immigrants.

A pilot program earlier this year that focused on quickly deporting Brazilian immigrants, Chertoff said, already has made an impact. He said he also would not limit changes to traditional ideas and programs already in place.

"We're open to any creative approach to this problem," Chertoff said.

Chertoff made his tour just a day after volunteers with the Minuteman project finished a month-long border watch. They had pledged to do the job that federal agents weren't doing. Chertoff said he had no idea the group had been at the border but reiterated that the job of protecting the border should be left to trained law enforcement.

The secretary is scheduled to visit Houston on Wednesday before heading to a meeting with a class of Border Patrol recruits in Artesia, N.M., later in the day.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; US: District of Columbia; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; chertoff; texasminutemen
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Chertoff made his tour just a day after volunteers with the Minuteman project finished a month-long border watch. They had pledged to do the job that federal agents weren't doing. Chertoff said he had no idea the group had been at the border but reiterated that the job of protecting the border should be left to trained law enforcement.
1 posted on 11/02/2005 8:35:05 AM PST by SwinneySwitch
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To: SwinneySwitch
Chertoff said he had no idea the group had been at the border...

Chertoff didn't know people were at the NOLA Convention Center, and didn't know about the whole Minuteman Project? Buh-bye, Chertoff, YOU'RE FIRED.

3 posted on 11/02/2005 8:36:58 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: SwinneySwitch

It won't be solved at all if these flap jaws sit around and yak about it all day.

Hey Mike, shut up and get to work on the fence.


4 posted on 11/02/2005 8:37:11 AM PST by yobid (Don't pet the sweaty things.......)
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To: SwinneySwitch

"Chertoff says porous border problem won't be solved quickly"

Well sure... it's a long border and it's gonna take awhile to build the wall and we have a lot of our helicopters tied up in Iraq....


5 posted on 11/02/2005 8:37:35 AM PST by gondramB
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To: SwinneySwitch

Here's a way to get it to happen immediately: Declare a total tax holiday - the feds may not collect taxes of any type during this period - until the border is secured.

36 hours or less and the border will be airtight.


6 posted on 11/02/2005 8:38:09 AM PST by thoughtomator (Alito Akbar)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Chertoff says porous border problem won't be solved quickly


A politician tell the truth, with double speak.

Interpretation---
We aren't solving no border situation.


7 posted on 11/02/2005 8:39:47 AM PST by From One - Many (Able Danger - No Intelligence Failure - Media Lied Again)
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To: SwinneySwitch
"We're open to any creative approach to this problem," Chertoff said.

Here is a creative idea. Put troops on the border. The majority of the hemorrhaging could be stopped in 30 days.

The only reason that this problem will take a long time to reverse is because the powers that be have no desire to reverse it.

8 posted on 11/02/2005 8:39:49 AM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: SwinneySwitch
"It's not going to be solved in a day, or a week, or a month," Chertoff said

Then the deparment of 'homeland' security should be disbanded. It costs way too much money, and is unconstitutionally influenced by the globalist "think tanks" that originally developed the concept.

Should the war on terror become a 'hot' war, we as a nation are in a lot of trouble.

These "think tanks" think that the homeland includes mexico and canada, btw.
9 posted on 11/02/2005 8:41:32 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: thoughtomator

you are correct

the only thing that motivates some of these clowns
is money.
National Security be damned if there's some money on
the other side.


10 posted on 11/02/2005 8:41:52 AM PST by From One - Many (Able Danger - No Intelligence Failure - Media Lied Again)
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To: SwinneySwitch

He had no idea about the Minutemen? What planet has he been living on for the past few months?


11 posted on 11/02/2005 8:42:34 AM PST by proud American in Canada (Merry Alitomas, Dems!)
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To: SwinneySwitch
Chertoff said he had no idea the group had been at the border...

Take off the blinders Chertoff!
12 posted on 11/02/2005 8:43:46 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life.)
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To: SwinneySwitch


Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff said Tuesday following an evening tour of the Mexico-U.S. border that solutions to illegal immigration problems won't come easily.

Oh really? Well, here's a good start!
13 posted on 11/02/2005 8:44:17 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: SwinneySwitch
Chertoff said he had no idea the group [the MMP] had been at the border...

Oh, man! He's really on the ball.

... but reiterated that the job of protecting the border should be left to trained law enforcement.

Then the moron says:

"We are not in control and are not where we need to be," Chertoff said. "It's been building for a long time."

... the Homeland Security secretary said a host of solutions, including temporary work programs, should and will be looked at in trying to solve a problem that he said has gotten out of control.

I don't like Chertoff. With that said, tomorrow Duncan Hunter and Virgil Goode will be holding a press conference to announce their immigration reform bill. Have to wait and see how that pans out. (There's no bill number yet.)

14 posted on 11/02/2005 8:45:01 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: Yo-Yo

Unfortunately, Bush seems just as clueless. His aides brag that he "doesn't watch TV," which is why he had NO IDEA what was going on in New Orleans until it was too late. Jees. I voted for him twice, but for God's sake, let's get someone who's a little more plugged in in 08. You know what's coming with the media's love fest with that bee-yatch Hillary.


15 posted on 11/02/2005 8:45:22 AM PST by travlnmn41
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To: SwinneySwitch

Temporary work program. Uh huh. Translation- we'll solve the problem of illegal aliens by saying "ok, you're legal now!"


16 posted on 11/02/2005 8:47:16 AM PST by Altair333 (Stop illegal immigration: George Allen in 2008)
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To: thoughtomator

I like the way you think.


17 posted on 11/02/2005 8:47:24 AM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: BostonianRightist

My personal preference is the invisible electric fence. It saves on bullets


18 posted on 11/02/2005 8:47:30 AM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: SwinneySwitch
Chertoff says porous border problem won't be solved quickly

Thus begins his back peddling from his previous "send every illegal alien home" stance.

I knew it wouldn't take long.
19 posted on 11/02/2005 8:48:23 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Easy for me to see he hasn't been paying any attention to border issues, even a little attention on his part and he would have known about the recent Minuteman project.

More lip service to the border problems.


20 posted on 11/02/2005 8:49:54 AM PST by Tammy8 (I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON)
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To: SwinneySwitch; Stellar Dendrite; NRA2BFree; Happy2BMe; Spiff; Pelham; Das Outsider; moehoward; ...
EL PASO, Texas -- Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff said Tuesday following an evening tour of the Mexico-U.S. border that solutions to illegal immigration problems won't come easily.

"Yes, FRiends; this is problem with no easy solution....unless you are willing to go along with the Solution that we in the "Cult of Bush" have for you...I have some right here for you to sample..."

"Just one sip, and you won't even think that Illegal Infiltration and Porous Borders are a problem anymore, because you'll just "trust us"!"

"After all, we never have to do anything that's difficult or hard regarding Illegals, now do we....much better to have cheap lettuce!"

"Drink up...all the cool (R)'s are doing it!"

21 posted on 11/02/2005 8:49:55 AM PST by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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To: hedgetrimmer

Isn't it interesting that HomeSec has no problem having the jackboots in airports shaking down gray haired old white people across the country but just somehow can't seem to get it's shi-ite together to combat an illegal invasion by an assortment of murderers, rapists, thieves, pregnant girls, etc. Is anyone else trying to figure out what the REAL mission of HomeSec might be?


22 posted on 11/02/2005 8:51:12 AM PST by american spirit (Can you handle the truth? - www.rbnlive.com ( 4-6 CST M-F)) / click "listen live")
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To: SwinneySwitch

"Chertoff said he had no idea the group had been at the border..." Are all Repub leaders hung like gerbils? Trying to throw away the advantages that have been gained in the House and Senate? they better get out front on this issue or you can learn to say "President Hildabeast"


23 posted on 11/02/2005 8:52:10 AM PST by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: TheDon

Well, a nation has to be sovereign to have a legitimate claim to tax, doesn't it? We know what really motivates them, anyway, and it ain't God and country.


24 posted on 11/02/2005 8:52:20 AM PST by thoughtomator (Alito Akbar)
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To: dynachrome
Are all Repub leaders hung like gerbils?

Obviously not, or we'd have seen more action than we have.

25 posted on 11/02/2005 8:52:57 AM PST by thoughtomator (Alito Akbar)
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To: thoughtomator

true


26 posted on 11/02/2005 8:53:30 AM PST by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: SwinneySwitch

Again the Bush WH is more interested in actin like they are doing something vs. actually doing somehting. All talk from this WH. We all know the answer

WALL
NO BENEFITS
PENALIZE EMPLOYERS

Simple


27 posted on 11/02/2005 8:54:11 AM PST by sasafras ("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom.)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; A CA Guy; ...

ping


28 posted on 11/02/2005 8:56:45 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: SwinneySwitch
Chertoff: ...host of solutions, including temporary work programs...

Hey, !erkoff, how about ENFORCING the laws against employers hiring illegal aliens by prosecuting a few thousands of them instead of about 10 per year. Think eliminating the bait might slow down the illegals crossing the border a bit, huh, huh?

29 posted on 11/02/2005 9:01:19 AM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: Texas WOP; Adrastus; Moiraine; Dan12180; jagusafr; lrb111; Bedford Forrest; MaryD; leapfrog0202; ...

Border Ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off this South Texas/Mexico ping list.


30 posted on 11/02/2005 9:01:26 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (Terroristas-beyond your expectations!)
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To: BostonianRightist
Chertoff says porous border problem won't be solved quickly

In two weeks, the problem would be solved.

You start rounding up illegal aliens and put it on the national news and beam it into Mexico, and show images of armed soldiers guarding the border.

Two weeks--or less!!!!!

More BS from our "leaders".

*****We stopped Bush's lunacy with the Miers pick. It is time we stop the invasion of our nation also. The people of this nation need to rise up, just as we did with the Miers pick. Our "leaders" will never do it themselves.*****

31 posted on 11/02/2005 9:07:45 AM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Chertoff is another lying sob.

The US border problem could be solved in a heart beat if the m-f'ers in the white house would allow it.

Instead they have this imbecile north american superstate model in their heads for which the illegals are the front line troops.

guess who picks up the tab?


32 posted on 11/02/2005 9:22:32 AM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer
"Instead they have this imbecile north american superstate model in their heads for which the illegals are the front line troops. "
...................................................
One wonders just how true this might be..Chertoff and co do not have a clue about how American citizens feel about this issue and So seems his boss the POTUS.
If the Minutemen go unnoticed by Chertoff why do we think BUSH even knows what is going on at the Border? Some one should pick up a truck load of illegals and pay them sit outside of BUSH's ranch and another group at Dad Bush's Home in MAINE..maybe then they will act.
33 posted on 11/02/2005 9:31:25 AM PST by ConsentofGoverned (if a sucker is born every minute, what are the voters?)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Michael Chertoff .... another useless shill for big business and it's plan for cheap illegal alien labor. F U Chertoff!


34 posted on 11/02/2005 9:35:45 AM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: SwinneySwitch
"It's not going to be solved in a day, or a week, or a month,"

The US can respond anywhere in the world to a military situation within days, and this is going to take months.

We all know nothing is going to be done about illegal immigration."

35 posted on 11/02/2005 9:42:06 AM PST by drypowder
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Illegal Alien's Poem

I visit US, get treated regal,
So I stay, who care I illegal?
I cross ocean, poor and broke,
Take bus, see employment folk.

Nice man treat me good in there,
Say I need to see welfare.
Welfare say, "You come no more,
We send cash right to your door."


Welfare checks, they make you wealthy,
Medicaid, it keep you healthy!
I go to college, for me it's free,
and now I have a Ph.D.


By and by, I got plenty money,
Thanks to you, American dummy.
Write to friends in motherland,
Tell them come as fast as you can.


They come in turbans and Ford trucks,
I buy big house with welfare bucks.
They come here, we live together,
More welfare checks, it gets better!


Fourteen families they moving in,
But neighbor's patience wearing thin.
Finally, white guy moves away,
Now I buy his house, and then I say,


"Find more aliens for house to rent."
And in the yard I put a tent.
Send for family (they just trash),
But they, too, draw the welfare cash!


Everything is very good,
And soon we own the neighborhood.
We have hobby-- it's called breeding,
Welfare pay for baby feeding.


Kids need dentist? Wife need pills?
We get free! We got no bills!
American crazy! He pay all year,
To keep welfare running here.


We think America darn good place!
Too darn good for the white man race.
If they no like us, they can scram,
Got lots of room in Pakistan.

http://www.vikarsrant.net/Jokes/IllegalAlienPoem.htm




36 posted on 11/02/2005 9:46:58 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: SwinneySwitch
"It's not going to be solved in a day, or a week, or a month," Chertoff said

TRANSLATION:
This problem requires prolonged effort and perseverence. Since we can't solve it in a month, we won't even try.

37 posted on 11/02/2005 9:48:34 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

We can successfully control borders in Iraq, Afghanistan and many other countries with our border patrol, but we cannot take care of our own, because, WE DON'T CARE TOOOOOOOOO.


38 posted on 11/02/2005 9:50:07 AM PST by television is just wrong
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To: dennisw

Michael Chertoff = just another nail in the coffin of the middle class. These guys just won't rest until we're all helpless peons.

"Border Control?" "We don't need no stinkin' border control!" -Bush Adnministration


39 posted on 11/02/2005 9:55:43 AM PST by coladirienzi
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To: dennisw

Michael Chertoff = just another nail in the coffin of the middle class. These guys just won't rest until we're all helpless peons.

"Border Control?" "We don't need no stinkin' border control!" -Bush Adnministration


40 posted on 11/02/2005 9:56:23 AM PST by coladirienzi
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To: jackbenimble
The only reason that this problem will take a long time to reverse is because the powers that be have no desire to reverse it.

I agree and sadly I don't think either party really wants to stop it.

41 posted on 11/02/2005 10:06:11 AM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: gubamyster

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant ~ Bump!


42 posted on 11/02/2005 10:08:41 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: coladirienzi

Dittos on Chertoff. Another useless open borders clone. What a joke.


43 posted on 11/02/2005 10:20:58 AM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: SwinneySwitch

"We're open to any creative approach to this problem," Chertoff said.

Put up a fence with enough guards to protect it and thendeportation becomes a non issue, so does the 'attachments' such as holding pens, feeding, medical, transportation and judicial officials.

It's kind of like building a dam because your roads wash out every spring. The dam takes care of water contamination, soil replacement, road reconstruction and crop loss. Yep, one thing takes care of all the others.

Is that too simple of a fix?


45 posted on 11/02/2005 11:27:22 AM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date on the oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic!)
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To: B4Ranch

Well you better solve it quickly little mr. skinhead! Or we get Hilary and Bush goes down in flames in the history books. Get on with it!


46 posted on 11/02/2005 11:34:06 AM PST by samadams2000 (Nothing fills the void of a passing hurricane better than government)
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To: samadams2000

Patriot to the death.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Patriot to the death ...... of America, huh? Love those open borders, do ya? What are you a coward who doesn't believe in protecting your country from an invasion.

Suggestion #1 Go to France ASAP!


47 posted on 11/02/2005 11:44:46 AM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date on the oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic!)
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To: B4Ranch

If hes asking for creative approaches after 5 years in office they havent a clue and continue to misread the public outrage. Im telling you we have a deaf president and Im not happy.


48 posted on 11/02/2005 11:44:50 AM PST by samadams2000 (Nothing fills the void of a passing hurricane better than government)
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To: SwinneySwitch

-"We're open to any creative approach to this problem," Chertoff said.-

You don't need creative. You need simple.


49 posted on 11/02/2005 11:48:53 AM PST by AmericanChef
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To: SwinneySwitch
"Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff said Tuesday following an evening tour of the Mexico-U.S. border that solutions to illegal immigration problems won't come easily."

Total BS! Step one. Large concrete fence. Step two. National Guard / regular well armed patrols. Step three. Electronic monitoring so that even roaches have trouble crossing. Problem solved!

50 posted on 11/02/2005 12:33:09 PM PST by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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