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Referendum C Passes; D Defeated
Associated Press ^ | November 2, 2005 | ABC 7

Posted on 11/02/2005 6:56:38 AM PST by george76

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To: george76
McInnis would be a good governor, but so far he's expressed no public interest. I still think Beauprez has a good shot despite Ref's C & D. The Dims still haven't come up with any candidate besides Bill Ritter and the MoveOn moonbats (a/k/a the party base) hate him for being pro-life.
41 posted on 11/02/2005 10:55:52 AM PST by colorado tanker (I can't comment on things that might come before the Court, but I can tell you my Pinochle strategy)
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To: colorado tanker; ModelBreaker

You are correct.

Who would run in Beauprez's place for Congress?

And there is this old thing...March 21, 2005

http://www.draftmcinnis.com/news.htm

Model Breaker also has some excellent points.

A Republican Governor with Dems everywhere will get blamed by the media for any and all mistakes. Do we want to give them that "cover?"


42 posted on 11/02/2005 11:08:32 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Who would run in Beauprez's place for Congress?

Rick O'Donnell (a good guy and a good candidate) is the probable candidate--RNCC has endorsed him and he is getting all the money--although Mark Paschall keeps making noise like he is going to declare. The conventional wisdom is that Mark would have trouble in that district. But I never vote against Mark. He has never lost an election even though sensible people think he is too much of an outspoken conservative to win.

43 posted on 11/02/2005 11:15:32 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker
I like O'Donnell and think he has a good shot at holding the seat. Looks like he's going to get a lot of national help. I also tend to think Mark is a bit conservative for that swing district, but you never know!
44 posted on 11/02/2005 12:06:30 PM PST by colorado tanker (I can't comment on things that might come before the Court, but I can tell you my Pinochle strategy)
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To: rhc2000
Being skeptical about government is always a fair and honest position to take. We the people should always keep a close eye on our elected officials. But in our constitutional representative form of government, those individuals who we choose to elect to public office are given the responsibility to act in our best interests. Should we the people conclude our elected officials are not acting in our best interests, then we should remove them from office at the next opportunity. That would be, the next election day. That is the way our political system works.

>>>>You definitely don't do your screen name any justice by buying into that "its not a tax increase" garbage.

In 1981, PresReagan signed into law a 25% across the board tax cut. In subsequent years Reagan raised taxes for various reasons. Some of those reasons Reagan supported and some he didn't. In this case, the people of Colorado have decided to be pro-active and not wait for the necessity of crippling budget cuts and maybe even tax hikes a few years down the road. To be more precise, Ref C doesn't raise tax rates on Colorado workers. You believe the $300-$500 that Coloradans are allowing the state to keep over the next five years is a tax increase. Fine.

45 posted on 11/02/2005 6:59:09 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: ModelBreaker
>>>>Don't listen to him, gold.

No, everyone should listen to you! LOL

Its quite obvious, people like you who opposed Ref C are not just supporters of limited govt. I'm convinced you're anti-govt, as in, libertarian or Libertarian. For all I know, you might even be an anarchist.

Colorado voters approved Referendem C. All your whiny rhetoric won't reverse that decision. Some of us who voted for Ref C struggled with our decision. We placed the future of Colorado before politics. I suggest you try looking beyond your own nose and stop acting like a sore loserman.

46 posted on 11/02/2005 7:12:19 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Reagan Man
Its quite obvious, people like you who opposed Ref C are not just supporters of limited govt. I'm convinced you're anti-govt, as in, libertarian or Libertarian. For all I know, you might even be an anarchist.

LOL. Black face paint? Check. Crazy gleam in eye? Check. Disheveled Beard? Check. Anti-Ref C Literature? Check. Bullhorn to whine louder? Check.

Man, it's as if you know me. I mean, the real me!

Actually, the 'people who opposed Ref C' for whom you have such contempt is, in reality, the vast bulk of the Republican party officers and officials in the state. I think every county party passed a resolution against C and D. That usually requires an executive committee meeting comprised of all county officers and all R office holders in the county.

I heard the tallies for several of the counties and the vote was, in every case, overwhelmingly in favor of the resolution (and against Ref C and D). So if those folks are, like me, anarchists, you are a small minority in a party of anarchists. I haven't noticed any mad gleams in the eyes of my county's executive committee. But maybe we're just good at hiding how insane we are :)

One more point. Ref C got 52% of the vote. You can do that in Colorado without a single R (except Bill Owens, Norma Anderson and you) voting for it. The evidence is overwhelming that Ref C was crammed down Colorado R's throats by a small group of party renegades working hand-in-hand with the Democrats, who supported it almost unanimously. Regrettably they were influential renegades. One knows a man by the company he keeps. Bill is no longer keeping good company.

47 posted on 11/02/2005 8:57:30 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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>>>>Actually, the 'people who opposed Ref C' for whom you have such contempt ....

This is about a difference of opinion. You made it a personal matter. You're the one who showed contempt for Coloradans, contempt towards lifelong conservative Republicans. Many people crossed party lines and made a tough decision in supporting Ref C. The state was split down the middle. Here in El Paso County voters opposed Ref C in the same numbers that it passed statewide. El Paso County is extremely conservative. Such a close vote shows that this issue had support across the political spectrum.

Contrary to what many people have said, TABOR was not repealed. It remains a great experiment. How many states in the nation have a law that allows voters to decide on tax increases? NONE! ZERO! TABOR has shown it has the ability at limiting govt. Bottomline. Colorado still has one of the lowest tax rates in the country. And remember, Ref D failed. There will be no immediate use of TABOR refund money. Everyone who voted for or against Ref C will be keeping a close eye on our elected officials in the state legislature to make sure they don't waste the taxpayers money. That includes myself.

48 posted on 11/02/2005 9:35:54 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Reagan Man
Everyone who voted for or against Ref C will be keeping a close eye on our elected officials in the state legislature to make sure they don't waste the taxpayers money. That includes myself.

I'll take your word that you will. Of course, the unions and other Dem constituents--who were the principal supporters of this proposal in money, votes, organization etc--have no interest whatsoever in preventing government waste. That was the whole point (for them) of getting C and D passed with no pesky strings on how it was to be spent--to be able to waste it on stuff other than what they were promising the taxpayers it would be spent on. Otherwise, why would they have fought so hard to exclude any binding language that required it be spent on roads etc.

If they keep control of the legislature in 2006 (very likely) and win the governorship (better than 50/50 after the wound Ref C inflicted on Beauprez), those monies are as good as gone.

Given the political tendencies of the media here and the R complicity in passing Ref C, I strongly doubt that anyone will ever be called to account for wasting all or part of the Ref C monies. It would be too embarassing to the R supporters of it to make a big show out of it--so we won't do it. And the media thinks higher taxes are a good thing as a matter of principle. Of course the dems and the unions don't think that wasting money is wasting money. So there will be no exposes that reach the general public, regardless what folks like you and me notice.

49 posted on 11/02/2005 9:58:14 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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