Posted on 10/16/2005 6:38:28 AM PDT by JustaCowgirl
BAGHDAD, Iraq -- Iraq's constitution seemed headed toward passage Sunday despite strong opposition from Sunni Arabs, who turned out in surprisingly high numbers in an effort to stop it. The apparent victory was muted, though, by the prospect that the result might divide the country further.
Rejection seemed more unlikely as vote-counting continued across the country. In one key result, Ninevah, one of three crucial northern and central provinces that Sunni Arab opponents pushed hard to swing their way, appeared to have voted "yes" by a considerable margin.
In London, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice predicted the charter was likely to pass, although she cautioned that she did not know the outcome for certain.
If two-thirds of voters in any three of Iraq's 18 provinces voted "no," the charter would be defeated. Sunni Arab opponents hoped to reach that threshold in four provinces: Anbar, Ninevah, Salahuddin and Diyala.
According to a vote count from 260 of Ninevah province's 300 polling stations, about 300,000 people voted for the constitution and 80,000 against, said Samira Mohammed, spokeswoman for the election commission in the provincial capital, Mosul, and Abdul-Ghani Boutani, a senior official in the Kurdistan Democratic Party.
Ballots from the remaining 40 stations still had to be counted, but it would be very difficult to turn the vote around to a two-thirds "no" vote that Sunni opponents would need to defeat the charter.
The constitution is a crucial step in Iraq's transition to democracy after two decades of repressive rule by Saddam Hussein's dictatorship. Washington is hoping it passes so Iraqis can form a legitimate, representative government, tame the insurgency and enable 150,000 U.S. troops to begin withdrawing.
A nationwide majority "yes" vote is assured by the widespread support of the constitution among the Shiites _ who make up 60 percent of the country's estimated 27 million people _ and the Kurds _ another 20 percent.
To defeat the constitution, Sunnis have to muster a two-thirds rejection in any three of Iraq's 18 provinces. They were likely to reach that threshold in the vast Sunni heartland of Anbar province in the west. Salahuddin province also looked possible, but with Ninevah out of the running, they would need to get the province of Diyala, which will also be difficult.
An elections official in Baghdad told The Associated Press that indications point to the charter having been approved. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the counting was still going on.
Sunnis turned out in force in Saturday's voting, a stark contrast to parliamentary elections in January, which they boycotted as a protest to a political process they felt was handing the country's Shiite majority unfair power. That move cost them, leaving them a minuscule presence in parliament.
The lines of Sunnis at the polls in the key electoral battleground states suggested they wanted to now participate in the political system.
Now the question is whether they will accept the passage of a constitution despite a significant "no" vote among the Sunni community. While moderates could take a more active role in politics, hard-liners could turn to the insurgency, deciding violence is the only hope of retaining influence in the country.
Speaking in London, Rice said "the general assessment that it has probably passed." She said her information came from "people on the ground who are trying to do the numbers, trying to look at where the votes are coming from and so forth."
Abdul-Hussein al-Hendawi, a top official in the elections commission, stressed there were no results yet from Saturday's vote. "We cannot make any prediction, but we hope by tonight we will have an idea about the result of the vote," he said.
Election workers in many provinces were still making their counts, which will be sent along with the ballot boxes full of votes marked on paper to the central counting center in Baghdad's Green Zone to reach the final, certified result. Vote counters in the Green Zone were already compiling votes from the capital and its surroundings.
Sunday morning, two mortars hit Baghdad's Green Zone, the heavily fortified district where U.S. and Iraqi government offices are located including the main center where all the votes from across the country are being counted and compiled. It was not clear if the mortars struck anywhere near the counting center. The blasts raised plumes of smoke from the zone but caused no injuries of significant damage, the U.S. Embassy said.
The attack came shortly after authorities lifted a driving ban imposed on Saturday to try to prevent suicide car bombs during voting. The ban was part of a nationwide security clampdown on Saturday, which turned out to be one of Iraq's most peaceful days in months.
Initial estimates of overall turnout Saturday were 61 percent, election officials said. But competition was more intense in the three most crucial Sunni-dominated provinces _ Diyala, Ninevah, Salahuddin, where more than 66 percent of voters turned out.
Turnout by Shiites and Kurdish in regions outside the most contested provinces appeared lower than in January _ despite calls by the top Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, for his followers to vote. Still, the nine provinces of the south, the heartland of the Shiites, and the three provinces of the Kurdish autonomous zone in the north were expected to roll in big "yes" numbers.
In Karbala, a Shiite province just south of Baghdad, some 440,000 people voted _ a 60 percent turnout _ and 95 percent of them cast "yes," ballots, according to the head of the election commission office in the province, Safaa al-Mousawi.
An official in the main Shiite political party in the ruling coalition, the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, said that the southern Shiite provinces of Najaf and Basra and Baghdad, which has a mixed population, together voted 90 percent "yes." But the official, Haitham al-Husseini did not break down the result in each province.
Most provinces in the south had only "moderate" turnout, between 33 and 66 percent, according to the elections commission. Qadissiyah province was even lower, with less than a third of voters going to the polls. In January, Shiites poured to the polls in huge numbers, well above 80 percent.
The lower participation this time may have been out of belief that success was a sure bet or because of some disillusionment with Iraq's Shiite leadership, which has been in power since April with little easing of Iraq's numerous infrastructure problems.
"My mother insisted to go because she considered that as a religious duty, but not me. She said she cannot disobey al-Sistani. Why should I care? Nothing has changed since we have elected this government, no security, no electricity, no water," said Saad Ibrahim, a Shiite resident of Baghdad's Karrada district.
"The constitution will not change that," he said. "The main issue is not getting this constitution passed, but how to stop terrorism ... Now they had this referendum done, we should expect terrorism back to our streets tomorrow."
Sunni Arabs, who controlled the country under Saddam Hussein, widely opposed the charter, fearing it will break the country into three sections: powerful Kurdish and Shiite mini-states in the oil-rich north and south, and a weak and impoverished Sunni zone in central and western Iraq.
But at the last minute, a major party, the Iraqi Islamic Party, came out in favor of it after amendments were made giving Sunnis the chance to try to make deeper changes later, which may have split Sunni voting.
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Associated Press reporter Salah Nasrawi in Cairo, Egypt, contributed to this report.
"Don't give up hope, we can still get the Sunnis to create unrest in Iraq when the voice of the people doesn't say what we want to hear."
After all, they have the example of the Democrats in the U.S. to turn to.
(Denny Crane: "I like nature. Don't talk to me about the environment".)
Iraq has been a divided country since it's creation by the British some 80 years ago. The "apparent victory" will only be muted by the news media who seems to be on the side of arab facism.
(Denny Crane: "I like nature. Don't talk to me about the environment".)
The original AP headline:
"Iraq's Constitution Appears Headed Toward Passage Despite Strong Opposition From Sunni Arabs - DAMMIT"
If it doesn't have either, the demoncRATS will declare it illegitimate.
/s
After kicking the Sunni's collective azzez on the battlefield, they are now handed a political beatdown! welcome to the democratic jungle losers!!
My mother insisted to go because she considered that as a religious duty, but not me. She said she cannot disobey al-Sistani. Why should I care? Nothing has changed since we have elected this government, no security, no electricity, no water," said Saad Ibrahim, a Shiite resident of Baghdad's Karrada district.
"The constitution will not change that," he said. "The main issue is not getting this constitution passed, but how to stop terrorism ... Now they had this referendum done, we should expect terrorism back to our streets tomorrow."
Uh oh, they had to stand in lines. Probably longer lines than the Shias. I think I see the out clause coming up.
Reminds me of the guy who asked the surgeon if he'd be able to play the piano after surgery.
(Denny Crane: "I like nature. Don't talk to me about the environment".)
Yep. Your point?
(Denny Crane: "I like nature. Don't talk to me about the environment".)
They want to kill everyone in the world that isn't them. I don't see what you can do to divide people further than that.
(Denny Crane: "I like nature. Don't talk to me about the environment".)
No.
Plus I can't tell them apart without a scorecard.
/s
(Denny Crane: "I like nature. Don't talk to me about the environment".)
Was that when Iraqi Shia fought Persian Shia in the crazy war that Saddam started with the Iranians after Carter let the Ayatollahs overthrow the Shah and when the Ayatollahs threatened to take over Iraq in a counterattack? I think I remember what you are alluding to. The Sunnis and Shia of Iraq fought the Persian Shia, right?
One of the DNC talking points pimped on today's Sunday shows? I'm shocked! SHOCKED!
I don't think that has changed one bit and we will have to deal with it one day.
Remember when the Russians were our friends and we fought the Germans and Japanese? Or Italy was our friend in WWI and our foe in WWII? Or France was .... OK forget that one ....
Extremely well said, now if we can just get you on as an anchor on a major MSM nightly news show........
Right, to our lefty press a divide is bad. We should all think the same...in the US we should think like Durbin or Hillary, in Iraq they should think like the Sunnis. For if all people don't agree, it will be settled by extreme violence and civil war. Kind of a pessimistic view of democracy...I guess the only answer is hypnotism.
The everpresent doom-and-gloom spin.
Ignore the spin and simply read the numbers. The title to any article about these results could be:
I wonder how many Sunnis told their wackjob leaders they would vote against the referendum and then thought: "Let's get this over with" and voted YES.
You're giving the AP reporter the benefit of the doubt. I wonder if there is such a person as alleged by the reporter.
More than a few, I would guess.
It's a pretty good bet that there isn't such a person. Or he's the reporter's brother-in-law or something.
Bump To The Top!
Very true - Or just as likely, just made the guy up! This happens with the MSM reporting much more then most suspect. They simply make up "critics" and quote them in their "news" stories.
The MSM is absolutely pathetic - They hate the success they see in the GWOT -
These people just cannot seem to understand or do enough research to appear to understand. They just recycle the same old phrases and attitudes. I bet if we were to discover a civilization on another planet the MSM would describe their political process in these terms, fitting or not.
Could we please get some intelligence into reporting?
In other words, the strong Sunni opposition doesn't exist, unless you only count the terrorists which is what the AP seems to want to do.
The crAP continues. The antiAmericans who run the AP and propagandize the war can't stand to be wrong. They paint the bleakest position using the flimsy facts to promote a lost cause.
Show me an AP staffer and I'll show you a miserable American.
A group of Iraqi men and a Iraqi army soldier with some local kids show their support for the new referendum after voting at a nearby poll station in Samarra Iraq, Oct 15, 2005, during Operation Iraqi Freedom. (U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Andy Dunaway)
BAGHDAD — An Iraqi man is all smiles as he shows his purple finger to his son moments after voting in the Oct. 15 Constitutional Referendum in the Tissa Nissan district of east Baghdad. (U.S. Army photo by Maj. Russ Goemaere, 2nd Brigade Combat Team PAO)
BAGHDAD – An Iraqi couple proudly display their purple fingers in the Karradah district of southern Baghdad Oct. 15. (U.S. Army photo by Spc. David Kobi, 4th Brigade Combat Team PAO)
By the way, I couldn't wait to read my Sunday morning edition of the Albany Times Union to see what they'd say about the Iraq vote. The paper is completely agenda driven, with almost every story designed to help Democrats..including letting inmates vote, disenfranchisement of college liberals by the lack of same day voter registration, global warming, lapping up Hillary quotes etc.
What was front page news today? No, not the Iraq vote. It was how Halliburton's subcontractors are under paying workers in Iraq. Halliburton, Halliburton, Halliburton.
We'll have to get some intelligence into our universities and colleges first. I long for the day the socialist and commie professors actually have to get a real job.....roofing tear off and shingling come to mind, hope they speak Spanish.
Just maybe at least some Sunnis voted "yes" ?
Wow, what fantastic photos! Thanks for those.
Geez, I thought my newspaper was bad. That sounds like they out-left the Marxist Times.
There are people who think the divided nature of Iraq is a good thing. It will limit the desire to give the federal government a lot of popwer.
Where are the pictures of the purple thumbs.
Notice the elections in Afganistand and Iraq got almost no coverage.
The MSM has decided the American people don't need to see this.
Gave Bush too much credit last time.
"My mother insisted to go because she considered that as a religious duty, but not me. She said she cannot disobey al-Sistani. Why should I care? Nothing has changed since we have elected this government, no security, no electricity, no water," said Saad Ibrahim, a Shiite resident of Baghdad's Karrada district.
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Problems of socialism. These need to be privatised and returned to the people so they are free of political control.
Be Ever Vigilant!
Some Sunni's, most notably Mohammed and Omar from the IraqTheModel Blog, voted Yes on the constitution ...
Nobody wants it but they all voted yes.
The AP, what a bunch of rubes.
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