Posted on 10/13/2005 4:54:12 AM PDT by WmCraven_Wk
With all due respect, I hope that you are never in charge. Or anyone who thinks like the statement you just made.
People reveal themselves under stress. Next time you go to the hospital, remember the staff might view euthanasia as a perfectly rational response, under certain circumstances.
The Culture of Death marches on...
"The government totally abandoned us to die. In the houses, in the streets, in the hospitals. ... ."
What a load of crap. The owners of the hospital, Tenet Healthcare, stated -
"About 2,000 patients, families, physicians and staff were safely evacuated from the hospital by boat and helicopter during a continuous evacuation that began Wednesday morning, August 31, 2005..."
These people were hardly abandoned by their government.
They worked without adequate food, rest or medical supplies as the storm waters arose outside the windows. They worked with a population critically or terminally ill. And, they worked with conditions where normal procedure doesn't work.
Imagine for a moment the spaghetti-like logistics of IVs, respirators and catheters. Every jostle, every movement causes pain: In fact, the very act of evacuation itself will kill most of them. At these moments, nothing is certain. Nothing at all.
I can imagine the fear and desperation, the frustration and surreality.
I am very glad I didn't have to make those decisions.
extreme example: You are in a battle, and you see a tank on fire and hear the men screaming inside. It is impossible to save them.
Do you let them suffer? Or toss in a grenade and end it quick?
I feel for the doctors and the patients in this situation in New Orleans- they could have let them drown or done this to end it quick. Not a choice I would like to make.
I think I'll wait until the autopsies are finished and the reports are in before I judge. Since the whole Katrina thing has been one long list of outrageous allegation with no evidence to back them up I think it could be wise. Saying someone "may" have discussed it or they "may" have injection a patient is very different from proving that they did. Why don't these people shut up until they have actual facts to report.
This is perplexing to say the least. Did they think they were GOD. I thought only GOD got to make those kinds of decisions...ya know..who should live? who should die? Geez.
And another thing...did they not have any respect for their relatives...
I would execute them for the murder of their helpless patients. It is one thing to not be able to help, quite another to kill someone. Pray that you are never in a position to be "hurting", and helpless around a liberal humanist with a syringe. What a shame to trust your life to a mass murderer masquerading as a doctor.
"I am very glad I didn't have to make those decisions."
No kidding. They were living in conditions we cannot even imagine. I will not pass judgement on anyone who has lived through horror like that while I was sitting in my air conditioned house. The patients had to be suffering greatly. I can't let an animal suffer, much less a human.
This is unbelievably sad. I just hope it wasn't some Dr. K Krazy that made this decision, but a compassionate person that was trying to help in an impossible situation.
"This story smells. I would not put a lot of faith in CNN to report the truth."
You know what..you're right. With as many times that I got burned with Katrina I'm not gonna believe this until I get more proof.
What kind of society do they have there, that even doctors, nurses and administrators lean on the government. I must say that as a child we were snowed in for days and not once did I ever hear my parents mention the government coming and taking care of us. Sick mind set down there.
"I am sure that we will later find out that these were all poor black patients"
Didn't ya know...! When I first this I laughed then felt sad that so many were led astray by our blatently false, liberal, bias and down-right ugly Mainstream Media.
Did they kill you, just in case things got tough?
I feel for the doctors and the patients in this situation in New Orleans- they could have let them drown or done this to end it quick.
Or moved them to a higher floor. It’s an eight story building and the water rose 20 feet.
If it happened at all, it might have been a rogue doctor a little to eager to slip some oldies the needle.
The following excerpt, from the CEO of the hospital, can be found on the hospital’s website:
I will never forget the heroism and the dedication of our physicians, our employees and their families. We had a core group of about 40 physicians who were just incredible – treating patients around the clock, doing everything in their power to keep them alive. Our nurses and many of their family members – including teen-agers and young kids – stood for hour upon hour upon hour fanning our patients by hand and bathing them with bottled water to make them more comfortable. I don’t know many of their names, but I remember all of their faces – sons, daughters, husbands and wives of our employees. I saw teen-age boys – young men – helping to carry patients up the stairwells to the helipad or down to the boats. Our maintenance and security guys were also amazing. They worked without sleep for days at a time. No one panicked. No one complained. Many of us were concerned about our homes and our family members outside the hospital but everyone stuck to the task at hand – caring for our patients and for each other. Despite the terrible conditions, I could see in our patients’ eyes that they trusted us. They knew we were working as hard as we could for them.
There were about 30 of us left at the end. We spent the night on the rooftop waiting for the helicopters to return in the morning. There was a huge explosion in the city, with flames shooting 1,000 feet into the air. We could see looters in some of the buildings nearby. We could hear gunshots in other parts of the city. When the helicopters landed, we all stood up and applauded. At that point, we realized that we had pulled this off – we had evacuated all of our patients and employees and we had survived.”
He gets into more details in the statement, about how bad and frustrating it got, but he never mentions any actions or even discussions about euthanizing anybody.
As the culture of murder spreads each hospital should be required to post a sign "Warning This Hospital Is Known to The State Of California to Contain Personnel That Are Hazardous To Your Life."
And of course, it's all about YOU.
I wonder if anyone bothered asking the PATIENTS.
I do think circumstances matter, I don't know the conditions they were operating under. How many staff did they have to care for how many patients? How many supplies? (Most hospitals now operate like other industries...supplies arriving just as they're needed. Though not life threatening, at least once a week we're wondering if the linen supply will arrive before we're out of sheets. We've run out of IV catheters, we once had no surgical lap sponges in the hospital, thankfully it was a Saturday afternoon and we didn't require them right that minute.)
I'm glad I wasn't in the postion to have to have to worry about triaging resources available and rationing them to those most likely to survive. I don't know their conditions, but what happens if there were 40 ventilator dependent patients, electricity / generator power fail and you have only 39 staff to hand ventilate the patients.
All I'd heard from the MSM was they were 'abandoned' at the hospital fending for theselves and begging for help. If that was the case then I think people may have been doing the best they could under battlefield conditions.
Further upthread I read where evacs were happening on an ongoing basis. If that turns out to be the case, then there needs to be some prosecution.
If only the infallible were ever in charge, I guess that would just leave you and God.
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