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Pardue’s study looked at water taken from street intersections close to the levee breach and near the Superdome, where thousands of residents sheltered from the hurricane.
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Posted on 10/12/2005 3:24:57 AM PDT by AFPhys
Shortly after Hurricane Katrina slammed into the Louisiana coast, flooding the city of New Orleans, journalists began reporting on a “toxic soup” of chemicals and dangerous microbes bathing the city. Based on no reported data, these stories nevertheless seemed reasonable; the city’s sewer system had flooded, and thousands of cars, houses, and chemical storage tanks lay beneath water, which in part of the city reached more than 3 meters in depth. In addition, 24 Superfund sites are in the affected area, and the U.S. EPA and the U.S. Coast Guard have tallied more than 400 oil and hazardous chemical spills.
However, research posted to ES&T’s Research ASAP website (es0518631) finds that the water that drowned New Orleans was no more toxic than typical floodwater washing down an urban street after a hard rain. Researchers expressed surprise at the findings but warned that it is still unknown whether the muck left behind is toxic.
“We don’t see the very elevated levels of toxics that would make you think of this water as toxic waste,” says the study’s lead author, John Pardue, director of the Louisiana Water Resources Research Institute at Louisiana State University (LSU). “What was so unique about this event was that we had such a large volume of water and so many people wading around in it for extended periods,” he says.
Danny Reible, chair of environmental health engineering at the University of Texas at Austin, says the study presents the first comprehensive data that he has seen on the floodwaters. “The bottom line is that it’s not a chemical environmental disaster, although you can’t rule out areas that might be impacted from local chemical spills,” he says.
Five days after the hurricane hit land on August 29, Pardue’s team boated into New Orleans with police protection and collected water samples from street intersections in the Lakeview neighborhood, near the levee break, and in Mid-City, close to the Superdome. Four days later, on September 7, he collected more water in Tulane–Gravier, a neighborhood just blocks from the Superdome, where thousands of residents sought refuge from Katrina.
Samples collected from various depths of the water column were later measured for several parameters, including turbidity, pH, and concentrations of organics, nitrogen, dissolved oxygen, and metals. Surface waters were depleted of oxygen, whereas lead, arsenic, and, in some cases, chromium exceeded drinking-water standards. Pardue reports that the values were normal for storm water, as were the levels of fecal coliform.
The LSU researchers also failed to detect extremely high levels of benzene and other carcinogens found in gasoline, although coauthor Louis Thibodeaux, a professor of chemical engineering at LSU, says that he expected to see higher levels. However, he calculates in the paper that most of these chemicals quickly evaporate.
“All of us around the world watched those people on television wading through oily water, but the benzene and many volatiles were gone,” says Thibodeaux. He adds that oil spreads out across water in a layer only millimeters thick, which tricks people into believing that a huge quantity of petroleum has contaminated the water. “It only takes a few drops to make sheen on the water surface,” he adds.
However, Thibodeaux says that many of the chemicals that did not evaporate may be bound to particles deposited in the mud and grime left behind.
Pardue raises similar concerns. “People are absolutely crazy to be going back into their homes,” he says. Because mold is an increasing problem in the houses left standing and sediments are still essentially unexamined, Pardue says that he is not certain the city is safe to inhabit.
The LSU findings are particularly important because experts are charging that EPA is failing to provide adequate, timely information that can be understood by the public. After people had been trudging through the water for more than a week, EPA began posting data from water samples on a website. This action raised an obvious question about how people stranded in New Orleans, many of whom are poor and without electricity, were supposed to access the information.
And data that EPA made available were often confusing, even to those with technical expertise in water chemistry. “They should certainly be capable of providing some context for this information,” says Pardue.
“All EPA did was put the information on the web without any information of what it meant.” says Mark Schleifstein, an environment reporter with the New Orleans Times–Picayune. “Information afterwards was in the context of certain standards, but it was uncertain why those standards were chosen.” Schleifstein later filed requests under the Freedom of Information Act to force EPA to provide details of chemical leaks into the water.
Pardue says that he had initially planned to release his data to Schleifstein and other reporters but decided to go through a peer-review process after seeing that EPA was performing so poorly and providing no context other than drinking-water standards. “That really doesn’t have any kind of relevance,” he says.
When contacted by ES&T about Pardue’s research, EPA would only respond with an emailed statement from an unnamed EPA scientist: “The findings in the article are consistent with what we have been finding in our sampling and what we have been saying about the conditions in New Orleans.”
On September 29, a month after the hurricane hit land, Marcus Peacock, EPA’s deputy administrator, told the U.S. Congress, “I don’t think you can say from what’s been assessed so far that there will be long-term effects.” Peacock added that contaminants may cause localized effects in areas close to spills.
However, Peacock offered little help when asked whether EPA was taking charge to ensure that citizens are safe. “That is up to local health officials and the city’s office to determine whether or not a particular room or neighborhood is safe for someone to go back into,” he said.
Mayor William Rutledge of Pontotoc, Miss., along with others, saw the problem differently. Referring to EPA, Rutledge testified, “The problem has been communication—getting out the word and stepping up to the plate and deciding that it’s safe. We don’t think [EPA] has been fulfilling that obligation.”
All the water that entered New Orleans was later pumped into nearby Lake Pontchartrain, a shallow, brackish lake with a surface area of more than 640 square miles. The lake is regularly used for recreation and commercial crabbing and is a catch basin for New Orleans’ storm water runoff. Pardue says that although the concentrations of metals in the water pumped into the lake were normal for floodwater, the lake has absorbed the equivalent of many years of runoff in only a few weeks.
Concentrations of zinc and copper, Pardue says, may pose a problem for fish that have less tolerance for these metals than humans. “So the metals going back into the lake are at much more toxic levels than we report for humans,” he says.
Because more than 100,000 houses were flooded, Pardue says that he is now beginning to look for other chemicals that might not normally be detected in mud left behind after a flood. He is also working with horticulturists to see whether this muck, which contains salt and other chemicals, may kill off the city’s plants and trees.
“If this was a waste site, EPA would require a cleanup to a certain level before they let anyone go back in,” says Wilma Subra, president of Subra Co., Inc. To address the concerns of local residents, Subra is conducting her own tests of the sediments. She advises residents to not enter the city unless they wear a respirator, boots, and gloves. She notes that Wal-Marts within 100 miles have sold out of such equipment.
As for the city and state officials, she says, “All they know is that their people want to go home. They’re looking for EPA to establish criteria that are safe for people, and EPA is not doing that.”
NEW ORLEANS - The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said Tuesday that it has finished pumping out the New Orleans metropolitan area, which was flooded by Hurricane Katrina six weeks ago and then swamped again by Hurricane Rita.
The initial flooding during Katrina was caused by water surging over some levees and breaking through others. At one point, 80 percent of New Orleans was under water.
Some puddles remain in areas of the city that had the deepest water, but "you can drive anywhere," said Col. Duane Gapinski, the engineer leading the task force assigned to pump the city dry.
Much of the water had been pumped out from Katrina when Rita caused tidal surges that pushed more water into the city.
Engineers were able to lower the water level by about 6 inches a day using temporary pumps along with the city's permanent pumps, some of which didn't always work, Gapinski said.
He said temporary repairs to the levees along the 17th Street and London Avenue canals, responsible for flooding in the downtown, are nearly complete.
Another task force has begun rebuilding the levees to their pre-Katrina condition. That work is scheduled to be finished by the time the next hurricane season begins June 1.
For now, there are no plans to rebuild the levees stronger than before. The Corps would have to get Congress' approval for such work.
I guess the Old Media FRAUDcasters were wrong yet again.
Weren't tere reports of police whose legs had swollen from being in the water? What was that all about...did they just report some rumor? Honestly, I don't think television news is reliable for anything, anymore. Unless I see it actually happening live, I am not believing it.
That's nice to know..since my hubby has had to have several blood test and two Hep B shots....(s)
Could the oil eating bacteria be brought out to help purify the sludge left in the sediment?
I'm going fishing!
There is entirely too much speculation being reported as fact.
I keep wondering about the whole news "profession" nowadays. I recall that when I was in college (late 60s-early 70s) that one of the least strenuous majors was journalism, and that it was a favored major of those who did not want to work very hard, as well being favored by "social activists". The turkeys seem to have come home to roost now, with those people now managing the "news rooms" as well as teaching others to do the same.
Possibly, a downward spiral with no bottom.
I was going to post a USA Today article about the same subject, but it turns out that FR bans posting from that rag.
It was easy for me to go the the actual source that they wrote their story from instead.
The media was also wetting their pants about "toxic mold" being throughout New Orleans. It was obvious they had no idea what they were talking about, but it was their story and they were sticking to it.
"Pardue raises similar concerns. “People are absolutely crazy to be going back into their homes,” he says. Because mold is an increasing problem in the houses left standing and sediments are still essentially unexamined, Pardue says that he is not certain the city is safe to inhabit."
IOW, "I can't prove my hypothesis about the water but I'm sure I am right about this..."
I'll wait for the movie, thanks...
Well, in this case, they're right. Any time you have a flooding incident in a warm/hot climate, molds WILL grow, and many of those ARE toxic.
Personal anecdote--I had to move out of South Louisiana due to mold allergies.
Mold is everywhere where there is moisture. Take away the water/moisture in many of the houses in New Orleans, use plenty of bleach, do some remodeling/rehabbing, and reuse the structures.
The media's drumbeat was for "toxic molds", which was just another topic they were cooking up to make news.
But, but what about those 10,000 rotting dead bodies floating around???
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Awwww c'mon. He's just doing his job--pimping for Federal Funds.
I heard a doctor on TV state that "dead bodies do not spread disease". ??
Dead bodies and animals, rotting garbage , gasoline sound's like New Orleans before Katrina/Rita.
One began claiming "toxic soup" - almost as soon as they realized that oil refineries were in the area: EVERY other reporter then began repeated the "toxic soup" mantra (starting from oil refinery/drilling leaks) even before the hurricane hit.
It, like the shootings and "war zone" and 10,000 deaths, became "fact" because the journalists repeated it. The first EPA sample were apparently taken three days after the storm (not a bad response, giventhey needed two days just to get there) and were escorted by police apparently.
Typical New Orleans style, the democrats immediately began complaining about their annointed "poor and homeless" who weren't able to read the web site.
Fer Christ's sake, at the four-five day point, we were still trying to get them out of the water the city officials left them in! NOBODY was leaving them in thewater, it was just immpossible to do anything about it yet.
NO pumping story.
They did go NO -> Lake P. -> ocean route. Easiest certainly.
Still - It'll be a while before I eat any gulf shrimp or oysters. Especially oysters.
Perhaps the water, as a mass, wasn't necessarily toxic, but the insides of structures and other enclosed areas definitely became toxic. I stripped my house during the first week and was fortunate to stop mold and mildew before it became problematic. After done with my place, I started to help another guy who had left his house "as is" after it flooded. Storage units, kitchen cabinets, etc., all remained closed until we got there. After an hour, I decided it was too much of a health risk to continue because you clould smell the toxicity of some of it from 25' away.
Even though the main body of water wasn't toxic, it did leave a toxic mess behind.
More hyperbole and hysteria that never materialized. You'd think I'd learn not to trust the sensationalism of the Dinosaur media, but I admit I succumbed this time.
Mr. Williams made some revealing assertions during his radio show.
He said that collectively, students that were entering the education field had the lowest university entrance exam scores. As a group, the next lowest scores were produced by journalism majors.
His conclusion: we have the dumbest people teaching our children and the next dumbest telling us what is going on in our society.
The media tried to do the same with Rita but the people here did not fall for their shenanigans. They did find about 2 or 3 whiners, from East TX, but most people interviewed after losing all they owned were thankful for being alive and determined to start over. They are up to the challenge.
In fact the former mayor, a lady dem at that, set up a rainy day fund from the gambling industry and Lake Charles is not going to be bankrupt during the recovery, the mayor is going to go ahead and do the upgrades in the infrastructure that was planned for since it needs to be done now. Needless to say the msm left as soon as they could.
"I keep wondering about the whole news "profession" nowadays. I recall that when I was in college (late 60s-early 70s) that one of the least strenuous majors was journalism, and that it was a favored major of those who did not want to work very hard"...
Journalists are, for the most part, the "C" students of the world. They surely are not among the "best and the brightest" as they once were thought. Rather, as a group, today's "journalists" comprise a nearly-monolithic leftist entity who appear to have very little ability to think independently. This is, IMHO, the direct result of the left-wing takeover of academe, including the so-called "esteemed journalism schools", by 1960s era draft-dodging anti-Americans. I know a few "journalists" and they are definitely not the sharpest tools in the shed. In fact, most of them are, indeed, "tools"...
If you profile 'Journalism/Media' and 'Elementary Education' majors - you find the same level of academic ability and intellectual rigor. Oh, and they tend to show up at an equal number of parties during their college years.
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Those 10,000 "missing bodies" are only on the dumbocRAT voter roles.
NO SARCASM INTENDED.
The stupidity of...I don't know...our culture, the press has reached a point that those of us who DO NOT have genius IQ may feel that we actually do.
In terms of this story, they were all bleating about deaths in the thousands and possibly tens of thousands and I looked at the reports and pictures and felt reasonably certain that there'd be a few hundred in NO if that.
Then they started talking about the viciously toxic water and I considered the volume of water and said "HOW can that much water be THAT toxic?
Once one had to be possessed of a fine brain to be a genius. Now you only need to pay attention to MSM reports to at least feel like one.
If that's the case then maybe the reporter should ask him why there is mass burials after catastrophes.
I wonder what is going to happen to the investors that owned rental property in the flooded areas? If the homes had no flood insurance they are SOL. No tennants for an income stream and The 2nd mortagage payment since the storm is due.
What about.........
By the way throw in Hollywood too. This is exactly how the masses are controlled by a few. Excellent Post
Just guessing, the smell?
In "hot and humid" New Orleans, it isn't quite as easy as you make it out to be. I'm from the same general area, am "sensitive" to those same molds, know how big the problem is, and how difficult it can be to get rid of them.
The "toxic mold" syndrome is, unfortunately, very real. The media isn't exaggerating at all, in this case.
The rotting flesh attracts flies which spread disease.
Large volume of water = dilution, which is the primary way to decontaminate anything.
I'm much more intrigued by the pumping out of the city, an awesome engineering feat that seems to have been met with a collective shrug of the MSM shoulders. 224 billion gallons. My congratulations and admiration to the people who made that happen.
NO should become a Superfund site and fully litigated before the locals move back in.
You're right about the awesome engineering feat ...
In only five or so weeks, ACE took the equivalent of a FULL DAY flow of Mississippi River water out of New Orleans.
Really incredible.
But what if there is no disease there to spread? If the person died from a tree falling on them or drowned, what disease is present? He said rotting corpses do not spread disease, I wish a FR doctor would answer.
I dug this up.
Misconception: After a Disaster, Corpses are a Health Threat
Phillip Nieburg
Senior Fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies
The devastation caused by the December 26 tsunami was soon followed by reports from many countries of mass graves hurriedly dug and filled with still unidentified corpses of people who had drowned or died of trauma or exposure. This frenetic burial activity was accompanied - and justified - by media coverage solemnly warning about “threats of epidemics from rotting corpses.” The observed rush to bury corpses is probably also motivated in part by fearful beliefs about death and corpses, common in almost every culture.
But do corpses really spread disease? The bacterial process that causes the unpleasant smell during decomposition of dead bodies is putrefaction. In this process, the many types of anaerobic bacteria that normally inhabited the intestine during life begin digesting the intestines and surrounding organs, producing methane, hydrogen sulfide and other chemicals that definitely smell bad. But these bacteria are not causes of epidemic disease and so the threat of disease spreading from the bodies of those killed by trauma or drowning is non-existent. Only when people have died from particularly dangerous infectious diseases such as smallpox, cholera or Ebola virus does extra care need to be taken with disposal of corpses to prevent spread of infection from skin lesions or body fluids.
In addition to not accomplishing public health goals, precipitous mass burial of unidentified bodies both creates great uncertainty about the fate of missing relatives – whose bodies will never be identified - and deprives surviving family members of the closure of culturally appropriate burial ceremonies that can facilitate the coping of survivors.
The goal of preventing the spread of serious infectious disease in natural disaster settings is better served by focusing resources and attention on survivors of the disaster, who may be at increased risk of hypothermia, malnutrition and exposure to contaminated food and water. These living people are much more likely to acquire and spread disease than the dead ones.
http://www.yaleph.com/misconceptions.html
Good find. So the doctor I saw on Tv was correct. No disease danger from rotting corpses. Now we know for sure.
Where I could see problems would be if rest homes, hospitals or research labs were involved. Lots of bugs and you wouldn't have a clue as to what was going to pop up first.
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