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Harriet Miers, Constitutionalist: Can We Ask for More?
The National Ledger ^ | October 10, 2005 | Lee Ellis

Posted on 10/10/2005 2:59:18 PM PDT by quidnunc

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To: Hendrix
I agree, and I have found that people without strong beliefs (the kind that don't care about politics or religion) tend to be swayed easily. Like the old saying, if you don't stand for anything, then you will fall for anything (something like that).
,br> I am a member of the same church group as Miers, churches of Christ/Christian Churches. This is a Proverbs 31 lady with solid beliefs which have been ingrained for 25 years. She isn't going to change...PERIOD.
121 posted on 10/10/2005 5:41:13 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: sanemom
Loyalty means you trust his judgement. He's not your husband, he is your leader and the leader of the Movement/Party. This lynching is pathetic!

So a bunch of people didn't get their pick, does that mean you jump on the Anti-Bush bandwagon?? Even if you don't agree, you should at least give him the benefit of the doubt.

Pray for W and Harriet Miers

122 posted on 10/10/2005 5:43:56 PM PDT by bray (Islam IS a terrorist organization)
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To: sinkspur; wvobiwan
Are you kidding? Not a SINGLE LIBERAL nominations huh? I pointed out ONE to you earlier, so don't go there sinkspur...you're putting me on a mission to point out as many as I can just to make you all shut up with this "trust Bush" argument based on previous nominations. You all are dividing the base worse each time you attack with this BS.

wvobiwan, check out Clifton in the 9th Circuit to see what I mean.

123 posted on 10/10/2005 5:49:46 PM PDT by mosquitobite (What we permit; we promote. ~ Mark Sanford for President!)
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To: msnimje
Listen, buster. You posted NOTHING about the opinions of these judges, except that a couple of Democrats endorsed them.

For you to sob like a girl because I pointed out, correctly, that you did not post any objecions to these judges when they were up for approval indicates to me that you're a bit hypocritical in your reactions.

124 posted on 10/10/2005 5:55:24 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you're not willing to give Harriett Miers a hearing, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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To: mosquitobite
Not a SINGLE LIBERAL nominations huh? I pointed out ONE to you earlier,

You pointed out two decisions, one of which I would assert is not a liberal decision at all.

I will go there all night, since you proved nothing.

125 posted on 10/10/2005 6:03:15 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you're not willing to give Harriett Miers a hearing, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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To: bray

"So a bunch of people didn't get their pick, does that mean you jump on the Anti-Bush bandwagon??"

Ok, I'll stop after this because I feel like a broken record-disagreeing with something Bush does, does not make someone "anti-Bush". Sheesh, I like that Clinton signed welfare reform but that doesn't mean I'm "pro-Clinton". Is there no room for honest debate about anything this president does? It just makes us look like brainless zombies if we say "who cares about the facts, he's our president, we elected him and therefore we need to always trust him unquestioningly".

I respect and admire this president, but one of the things I respect and admire about him is his courage and his unwillingness to tailor his decisions to the whims of politics and poll numbers. This nomination leaves me wondering if all of the pressure of the falling poll numbers, Iraq naysayers etc. isn't finally leading to a small crack in his resolve in that regard. I certainly HOPE that's not the case, but it's a legitimate question and one which deserves to be explored. If you're talking about those saying "Bush betrayed me" "He's lost me forever" folks, ok, I might agree that's overstating it, but simply questioning whether this woman is the best possible candidate is not "disloyal" in the least. And the fact that so many people are hysterically making it so, well frankly that kind of creeps me out.

Now back to Monday Night Football, goodnight.


126 posted on 10/10/2005 6:43:04 PM PDT by sanemom
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To: rodguy911
... the odds of a prolonged battle and Miers not being confirmed are short. She probably will be confirmed and GW will win another battle. Was it pretty? No. Did he(we) win, yes.

Here's another out of the box idea. The DEM cloture abuse in unprecedented. Counter it with a recess appointment to SCOTUS.

Not pretty. But bold. If the recess appointment is for a justified reason (i.e., the nomination is stalled becuse the Senate refuses to vote, it's filibustering), the general direction is restoration of appropriate balance of powers.

127 posted on 10/10/2005 7:14:28 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: sanemom
You respect and admire him, you just don't trust him. Unbelieveable! You question this nominee, but won't wait for the hearings to condemn her.

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters

128 posted on 10/10/2005 7:23:31 PM PDT by bray (Islam IS a terrorist organization)
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To: Cboldt
Try not to forget who he(GW) has to deal with, a Godless out for power, political party, that will sell out the country for pure power. In times like this he may have to be less than forth write for the sake of keeping the rats out.

Times have changed. Thirty years ago we were two political parties. One with a slightly different ideology than the other.

Today we have one political party, infected with rinos, that actually cares about the country. The other is out for power, and state run everything at any cost.They hate capitalism and anyone who does not worship the state.Making matters even worse the msm spins everything their way no matter what.

As potus if he does not take "all" that into consideration he does not serve the country as well as he could. Sad but true.
129 posted on 10/10/2005 8:09:57 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Time to get rid of the UN and the ACLU and all Mosques in the US,UK.)
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To: bray

great post.


130 posted on 10/10/2005 8:11:16 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Time to get rid of the UN and the ACLU and all Mosques in the US,UK.)
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To: Cboldt

sounds like a long shot.


131 posted on 10/10/2005 8:12:43 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Time to get rid of the UN and the ACLU and all Mosques in the US,UK.)
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To: rodguy911
sounds like a long shot.

Heheheh. There is no doubt it WON'T happen. But it is an example of taking the fight to the DEMs.

The GOP is not taking the fight to the DEMs, and neither is President Bush. But I've outlined a number of ways that could be done, ranging from bully pulpit to recess appointment.

132 posted on 10/10/2005 8:30:06 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: rodguy911
Today we have one political party, infected with rinos, that actually cares about the country.

If they won't fight for the Constitution, they demonstrate disregard for the country.

This is raw personal power playing out in a political sphere, and you and I are reduced to mere observers.

I do not like what I am seeing. And the GOP has lost ground. Idiots.

133 posted on 10/10/2005 8:32:55 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: bray

"You question this nominee, but won't wait for the hearings to condemn her."

Did you even read my post?


134 posted on 10/10/2005 9:51:46 PM PDT by sanemom
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To: quidnunc
Yes I want Hillary to nominate people to high office for eight years, if this is my alternative. She's a wicked person and a dyed in the wool liberal. But the people she will nominate will be able to read and write.

If you aren't for merit then I'm not for you. It is that simple. If merit won't be defended in the Republican party, then to hell with the Republican party. Are we clear yet?

135 posted on 10/10/2005 10:04:18 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC
JasonC wrote: Yes I want Hillary to nominate people to high office for eight years, if this is my alternative. She's a wicked person and a dyed in the wool liberal. But the people she will nominate will be able to read and write. If you aren't for merit then I'm not for you. It is that simple. If merit won't be defended in the Republican party, then to hell with the Republican party. Are we clear yet?

It's clear you're blathering.

136 posted on 10/10/2005 10:11:35 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
Defend the following proposition - Miers is the single most qualified candidate for the job of justice of the supreme court, presently available in this country. Or accept this consequence - the present Republican party will appoint underqualified non-entities to the highest offices, to avoid offending a liberal press, or arguing about constitutional law in front of a TV camera.
137 posted on 10/10/2005 10:30:39 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: rodguy911
Sorry, it doesn't wash. It is actually easier to defend a nominee that is qualified than one who isn't, as the White House is demonstrating every day, especially if you have a nominee who believes in originalism as a valid philosophy to interpret the Constitution. It's a very easily defended position. And if you've got a few weak-kneed RINO Senators who go wobbly at the thought of actually interpreting the Constitution as written and interpreted then you spend a little political capital. You're also forgetting that all of the voices howling in outrage at this nomination would have been working overtime shoring up support for her in the Senate in conjunction with the President.

It's the reason we gave the man the job and majorities in both houses of Congress. It is time he actually stood up for the conservatives who went door to door making sure people got out to vote for him. (And who overlooked each new liberal entitlement or spending program he's come up with the last 5 years, for just this day).

Each new attempt to sell this boneheaded nomination sounds weaker and more pathetic than the last. This lack of loyalty to his base won't be forgotten and can't be washed away by some public relations campaign. It's indicative that they just don't get why so many people are upset. The President made very specific promises to the conservatives in his party about appointing originalist judges to the Supreme Court. He has now failed to do so with these 2 nominees. John Roberts, although qualified, is at best a minimalist while we can't even begin to guess what Harriet Miers is. The President asks us to trust him. We did trust him....to appoint qualified originalist judges as he promised. So far, he's two for two against.

It isn't a good sign for the White House that even the original weak support for this nominee is evaporating after less than a week. Their best defense consists of second and third hand testimony and it now turns out their number one booster is her lover.

It is also revealing to look at the tactics of the many people criticizing Harriet Miers versus those few voicing support. Those voicing criticism are bringing forth many valid, logical substantive arguments regarding this nominee's total lack of a defined judicial philosophy. This is not a trivial criticism. If you don't have a defined judicial philosophy, then your decisions tend to change and drift over time. This is what has happened to 5 of 7 of the last Republican nominated SCOTUS appointees. When you have a defined judicial philosophy, as Scalia and Thomas do, you are much less likely to drift since your interpretation of the Constitution isn't visceral but logical. The similarities between Miers and O'Connor in temperament are rather striking.

The strategies being employed by the few Miers defenders are, first try to malign those actually pointing out her lack of credentials. This is a tactic typically employed by liberals and avoids addressing the criticisms. This is often a very good sign that they can't provide substantive answers to the criticisms. The second strategy is the "Trust Us, we know things you don't." Well, that's not how the process works. And if the White House could actually demonstrate her judicial philosophy, they would have done so by this point and stopped the hemorrhaging of support. The third strategy they are using is a bit hypocritical. They wink and nod and say "well, she's an evangelical Christian, don't you know?" Why was it off limits to assume that because John Roberts is Catholic he might have certain opinions while with Harriet Miers we are told that because she's an evangelical Christian we can be sure she's got a certain political and judicial philosophy? (And this very assertion is shown to be worthless by her own resume.....how many evangelical Christians do you know who would want to run their state lottery?)

This crisis is very easy to defuse. Actually cite some evidence (and somebody's third cousin's veterinarian who once overheard her say something at a diner isn't evidence) that she has a specific philosophy regarding Constitutional interpretation. Don't try to demean the critics by making ridiculous charges of elitism or sexism. Go back and count the number of qualified women on my previous list if you don't believe it. Most of the critics would have been enthusiastically supporting any one of the women on that list.....and calling the wobbly Senators to make sure they voted to confirm her.

138 posted on 10/10/2005 10:55:58 PM PDT by MarcusTulliusCicero
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To: MarcusTulliusCicero

*bump*


139 posted on 10/10/2005 11:08:05 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: quidnunc

Greeeaat.

Reason 1. "Trust me."
Reason 2. Get with the program. You're supposed to have Battered Wife Syndrome!
Reason 3. Al Gore really won Florida.
Reason 4. Battered Wife Syndrome, remember?
Reason 5. If you don't thrw me out for sleeping with your sister, I'll be a good husband. Maybe.
Reason 6. DAMMIT! You're supposed to have Battered Wife Syndrome!!!
Reason 7. Aw, Come On!!! The Democrats had Battered Wife Syndrome for THEIR guy!
Reason 8. It's your fault I don't love you. You should suck my c*ck, and let me screw the neighbor, and maybe I could love you.

Seriously, Reason 8 is really lame. To use his analogy: If it's the bottom of the ninth, men on first and third, the Yankees are up 3-1, only one out, Mariano Rivera is available in the bullpen, and the heart of the Red Sox batting order is coming up, and Joe Torre brings out Al Leiter or Tanyon Strurtze, he'd have a riot on his hands.


140 posted on 10/10/2005 11:38:19 PM PDT by dangus
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