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Scalia Didn't Expect Bush to Nominate Him
The Washington Post ^ | October 8 | NAHAL TOOSI / AP

Posted on 10/08/2005 7:02:53 PM PDT by RDTF

Edited on 10/08/2005 9:16:37 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

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To: RDTF

Scalia is a gentleman.

It makes sense that Bush wouldn't nominate him for Chief Justice, because he's already on the court, and the promotion would necessitate an additional confirmation procedure.


21 posted on 10/08/2005 7:40:38 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: dirtboy

When and if she lets her views be known, which she as of late has not, then you can call for waiting. And if Bork has been reading her dossier and such, why does he need to show restraint? If he's formed an opinion I have no problem hearing it. He's giving us more than she is and I'll bet you more than she will when the hearings start.


22 posted on 10/08/2005 7:43:17 PM PDT by ShadowDancer (Stupid people make my brain sad.)
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To: dirtboy

Alrighty then...


23 posted on 10/08/2005 7:44:29 PM PDT by dmw
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To: dirtboy
It is not against those who disagree. It is against those who demand allegiance to Bush no matter what.

Most people are not so much passing judgment on HER as they are no her as a nominee. We should be able to verify her judicial philosophy. This "trust me" stuff is nonsense. It may make the Bushbots swoon, but it doesn't work for the rest of us.

But okay, I know the history of your posts enough to know you are no Bushbot. So I apologize for that. But you must admit, there really is such a group in FR. They wear me out.

24 posted on 10/08/2005 7:45:26 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past ("Let the wicked man forsake his way and the evil man his thoughts. Let him turn to the Lord" Is 55:7)
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To: ShadowDancer
When and if she lets her views be known, which she as of late has not, then you can call for waiting.

She hasn't even been nominated for a week. So maybe we can wait and get more information.

And if Bork has been reading her dossier and such, why does he need to show restraint?

Gee, I dunno - to maybe factor in her views instead of engaging in rampant conjecture? I know that's a quaint notion in this day and age, but some folks still think that is a good thing.

If he's formed an opinion I have no problem hearing it. He's giving us more than she is and I'll bet you more than she will when the hearings start.

Why don't you wait until we get more information?

Oh, sorry, that's no fun...

25 posted on 10/08/2005 7:46:46 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Asked if he knew why he wasn't nominated, Scalia said the reason "is locked in the heart of the president."

Was Scalia rolling his eyes as he said it?

26 posted on 10/08/2005 7:48:11 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: dirtboy
Why don't you wait until we get more information?

She, or any other nominee, can sit at that table and say whatever they want. I also like knowing their track record, regardless of what they say to get in. Don't you?

27 posted on 10/08/2005 7:49:14 PM PDT by ShadowDancer (Stupid people make my brain sad.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
"Good grief, when did you become a Bushbot? The point is precisely that we cannot pass judgment on her. THAT IS THE POINT!"

Lol...

The affliction of Bush-Botulism scrambles the brain.

28 posted on 10/08/2005 7:51:05 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: ShadowDancer
I agree with you. It's interesting that those who call for restraint don't think that they need to show any restraint expressing their support for Miers. But we who are leery or opposed to her should show restraint. Typical liberal behavior from the Bushbots.
29 posted on 10/08/2005 7:52:16 PM PDT by dmw
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To: dirtboy
It's called restraint.

And manners. Scalia appears to be a real gentleman. He says what he thinks on issues in his rulings but is never personally rude.

30 posted on 10/08/2005 7:54:27 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
It is not against those who disagree. It is against those who demand allegiance to Bush no matter what.

There are some of those. But most of the folks I see on the pro-Miers camp are asking two things:

Wait until we have more information, and be willing to think outside the box regarding qualifications for a nominee, given how badly the mandarin class has run SCOTUS (and Washington, for that matter). We may decide that Miers is not the right way to think outside the box. But IMO it's also not viable to continue on the path we've taken regarding SCOTUS for the last fifty years - not just with the nominees, but with the role of SCOTUS and the fedgov in general. So I am gonna look at the establishment types with a very large grain of salt as they proclaim Miers to be unsuitable, because they haven't exactly done a bang-up job themselves.

Most people are not so much passing judgment on HER as they are no her as a nominee. We should be able to verify her judicial philosophy.

And once we have more information, let's do just that.

This "trust me" stuff is nonsense.

If you had to pick one area where Bush has thoroughly pushed a conservative agenda would it be spending? No. Education? No. Immigration? HELL NO.

If Bush asked me to trust him in those areas, I'd say show me instead.

But judicial nominations has been his strongest area. So I am willing to take a wait and see attitude. Couple that to the realities of the post-Gang of 14 Senate, and we need to bring a lot of factors to our own personal decisions over th

But okay, I know the history of your posts enough to know you are no Bushbot. So I apologize for that.

Thanks for that. It's been heated all around on this subject, so no hard feelings.

But you must admit, there really is such a group in FR. They wear me out.

They wear me out at times. I often disagree with them. But in this case, I think we do need to wait and see more.

31 posted on 10/08/2005 7:59:29 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: dmw
Typical liberal behavior from the Bushbots.

Yeah, you discuss restraint and then call your opponents Bushbots.

Cut the crap.

32 posted on 10/08/2005 8:00:24 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: ShadowDancer
I also like knowing their track record, regardless of what they say to get in. Don't you?

And all that will come out as well. Right now we have a paucity of information. But that isn't stopping a lot of folks from casting judgement.

33 posted on 10/08/2005 8:01:40 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: rdb3
Stop being logical, I hate that! lol
34 posted on 10/08/2005 8:02:50 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne (It was a village of idiots that raised Hillary to Senator status.)
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To: dmw
It's interesting that those who call for restraint don't think that they need to show any restraint expressing their support for Miers.

Most of the folks who oppose your point of view are saying we need to wait to get more information before casting judgement. That smacks of restraint to me.

Folks on your side of the debate are belittling her legal experience. Making a point from her lack of children. Echoing Dem talking points about cronyism. Calling her another Souter, when Souter was a result of Bush not knowing the nominee well. So Bush knows Miers well - which would prevent the situation that led to Souter - but because he knows her well, it's cronyism.

In other words, your side has acted with little restraint and little intellectual consistency.

35 posted on 10/08/2005 8:05:25 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: dirtboy

"Cut the crap."

After I cut it up, where do I send it? Have an address for me?


36 posted on 10/08/2005 8:05:52 PM PDT by dmw
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To: dmw
After I cut it up, where do I send it? Have an address for me?

Yeah, put it on your doorstep in a paper bag, throw a match in it, and ring the doorbell.

37 posted on 10/08/2005 8:07:23 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: dirtboy

"In other words, your side has acted with little restraint and little intellectual consistency."

Well, we can't help it if we ain't itelagant like you.


38 posted on 10/08/2005 8:10:18 PM PDT by dmw
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To: dirtboy

OK, I did what you said, now what?


39 posted on 10/08/2005 8:11:40 PM PDT by dmw
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To: dmw
Well, we can't help it if we ain't itelagant like you.

Intellegence has nothing to do with restraint, as Bork demonstrated.

40 posted on 10/08/2005 8:12:07 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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