Cutting off our noses (Vanity)

Vanity ^ | 11/04/05 | Paloma_55

[Paloma_55]

That being said, my posts are not meant to trash anyone or support any trashing of anyone. I believe that the President can do anything he wants with his power to nominate the next SCJ. My turn to have a say in that process will come in 08 because both of my Senators are safe in 06. That gives me plenty of time to determine if he made the correct choice.

So I think we both see eye to eye.

a) Bush gets to make a pick. We can disagree with him over whether it is the best one, but it is his pick. There is no reason for the Republicans to refuse to approve his nomination any more than it is for the Dems to refuse to approve his pick... unless she is actually unqualified, which I doubt is the case.

b) We get to vote in 06 and 08 based upon our perspective of the job being done by the parties. Unfortunately, there are only two major parties and we conservatives are but a coalition within the Republican party. If we bolt the party, the Dems will have the advantage. The Dems, are led by their liberal wing. So we would be ... cutting off our noses... which brings me back to my original point.

[Paloma_55]

It is beginning to look as though it all may be a moot point. If a substantial number of Republicans inform the President they that they will not vote for Miers, then I cannot see any choice for him (or others speaking for him) but to encourage her to withdraw her name.

What would the basis of their argument be?

The Senate is only there to advise and consent, not to nominate.

Didn't we just spend a month explaining that to the Democrats???

If someone is going to argue that she is unqualified, I would have to ask... "What is the qualification?" "Do you have to be a blue-blood ivy-leaguer to qualify?"

[Protagoras]

He ought to have voted for Kerry then, or Gore. Then he would have gotten more of what he wanted.

He wouldn't get more, just the same more quickly.

And, Maybe he likes "Democrat lite". You know, like he wants to pretend that somehow Republicans are going the right way, but in the end, it's just his fantasy.

Most of todays Republicans are to the left of most Democrats of a generation or two ago.

I cannot figure out why the Dems hate Bush, he gives 'em most of what they want.

[Souled_Out]

"So I think we both see eye to eye."

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We are much closer on agreement but we are not locking eyeballs yet.

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"There is no reason for the Republicans to refuse to approve his nomination any more than it is for the Dems to refuse to approve his pick... unless she is actually unqualified"

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I'm not quiet there with you on this one yet.

There may be many reasons to refuse her nomination, we do not know all of the facts yet, let's wait and see.

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"If we bolt the party, the Dems will have the advantage"

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Another way of stating this would be that the Republicans would be left at a disadvantage because of their betrayal of their Conservative base.

Since Republicans are not Conservative (some Conservatives are Republican for now) it turns out that only the Republican Party is cutting off their noses.

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"So we would be ... cutting off our noses... "

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See answer above.

[Artemis Webb]

Of course you don't have to be an ivy leaguer.

I think the problem with Republicans voting against her should she pass through committee is two-fold.

First you have leftist RINO's (a word I have never used on FR till now) like Lincoln Chafee and then you have the Republicans that want to run for President and may see this as a chance to show that they can be independent thinkers (even though they may be voting against Miers for no better reason than that political motivation).

I really don't think if this nomination comes to the floor that the Democrats will vote for her. In the end I think none of them will.

[Paloma_55]

Soul, (I hope you don't mind me using your first name)

If Harriet is unqualified due to the fact she hired an illegal maid or failed to pay her taxes, great... I would support her removal from consideration.

I am open to the review process being done, but hope its not Republicans digging through her trash can to find dirt.

As for Conservatives... I am

a) Christian
b) American
c) Conservative
d) Republican

In that order. I don't know more than three or four people that are more conservative than me on most issues.

As I said in my vanity post, I was HOPING for Janice Rogers Brown and a huge fight in the senate where we could destroy liberalism in public.

All that said, we should not join the Democrats in the argument that we can refuse to approve a nomination based upon our dissatisfaction with the pick, or political disagreement with their policies.

To say she is "unqualified" because she has not been a judge, or because she went to SMU instead of Harvard is beneath the level of argument that either a Conservative or a Republican should take.

I would rather take the nomination graciously and call upon the president to look for a JRB or other such conservative judge on the next go-around.

As for future votes... I felt the same way when Arnold S was ordained as the Republican Governor of California by Bush and the Republican party despite the exceptional qualifications of Tom McClintock to fill that role. But, we have to acknowledge that the party is a coalition and without multiple facets joining together in our own self-interest, we will simply lose to the Democrats who are controlled by their left-wing.

[Paloma_55]

First you have leftist RINO's (a word I have never used on FR till now) like Lincoln Chafee and then you have the Republicans that want to run for President and may see this as a chance to show that they can be independent thinkers (even though they may be voting against Miers for no better reason than that political motivation).

The latter being simplified to "John (The Traitor) McCain"

[ElPatriota]

No to pick a fight with you :) but sorry, NO, I will not get over it!... I will keep "whining" until I decide to stop it. Winning is not always winning and losing, sometimes, can lead to winning.

[Paloma_55]

El,

Thas OK. I whined a lot when Arnold got the nomination over Tom McClintock.

[ElPatriota]

Blanca, paloma blanca... as the song goes... :)

Glad you did not get offended by my post [smile], besides Whining can be therapeutic! we can release emotions that will not do any good to keep bottled up... let's argue all we want, but let's not ATTACK each other.... we are among friends here

Happy Friday.

[Souled_Out]

"I would rather take the nomination graciously and call upon the president to look for a JRB or other such conservative judge on the next go-around"

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For quiet a few Conservatives, me included, this is a "line in the sand" issue.

This is more than the issue of Meirs or not Meirs, this is the eye opening indication to Conservatives of how they are viewed by the Republican party.

As we read some of the posts on these threads and feel the betrayal of the choice the President made it becomes pretty apparent that the attitude is "vote for us then STFU we will do what we want".

That idea drives home the fact they the Republican party has the same attitude as the DemoRats so why should we bother working to get Republicans voted into office.

Either way, Conservatives lose.

I see a lot of common ground in our beliefs and positions, I especially like your description of your world-view, if I were asked, mine would mirror yours completely from a to d.