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After 55 Years, Vet to Get Medal of Honor
ap on Yahoo ^ | 9/17/05 | Paul Chavez - ap

Posted on 09/17/2005 2:14:59 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

LOS ANGELES - Tibor Rubin kept his promise to join the U.S. Army after American troops freed him from the Mauthausen concentration camp in Austria during World War II.

A Hungarian Jew, Rubin immigrated to New York after the war, joined the Army and fought as an infantryman in the Korean War. In 1951, Chinese troops captured Cpl. Rubin and other U.S. soldiers and he became a prisoner of war for 2 1/2 years.

More than five decades later, after a relentless campaign by grateful comrades and Jewish war veterans, President Bush on Sept. 23 will give Rubin the Medal of Honor.

"I was only staying alive to get that medal and now I'm going to enjoy it," said the 76-year-old Rubin, who now lives in Garden Grove.

He was nominated four times for the medal, the nation's highest recognition for bravery in battle. But some believe the paperwork was never submitted because a member of his chain of command discriminated against him for being Jewish and born in Hungary.

When he was at the Chinese prisoners' camp known as "Death Valley," Rubin said he would pray in Hebrew for the U.S. soldiers — about 40 each day — who died in the freezing weather. He also took care of soldiers suffering from dysentery or pneumonia.

Rubin, who goes by the name Ted, called concentration camp good "basic training" for being a POW and applied lifesaving lessons he learned there. For example, Rubin said he would retrieve maggots from the prisoners' latrine and apply them to the infected wounds of his comrades to remove gangrene.

Fellow POW Sgt. Leo Cormier said Rubin gave a lot of GIs the courage to live.

"I once saw him spend the whole night picking lice off a guy who didn't have the strength to lift his head," Cormier told the Army. "What man would do that? ... But Ted did things for his fellow men that made him a hero in my book."

As a POW, Rubin turned down repeated offers from the Chinese to be returned to his native Hungary.

"I told them I couldn't go back because I was in the U.S. Army and I wouldn't leave my American brothers because they needed me here," Rubin said.

Rubin wouldn't say anything negative about the Army and his long wait for the Medal of Honor. But in affidavits filed in support of Rubin's nomination, fellow soldiers said their sergeant was allegedly a vicious anti-Semite who gave Rubin dangerous assignments in hopes of getting him killed.

In 1988, the Jewish War Veterans of the United States urged Congress to recognize Rubin's efforts. And U.S. Rep. Robert Wexler (news, bio, voting record) of Florida introduced a bill in 2001 to force the Pentagon to review the records of Jewish veterans who may have been denied the Medal of Honor because they were Jews.

About 150 records remain under review, said Bob Zweiman, past national commander of the Jewish War Veterans.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: cmoh; moh

1 posted on 09/17/2005 2:15:01 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Storys that just make you say DAMM...


2 posted on 09/17/2005 2:20:30 PM PDT by tophat9000 (This bulletin just in:"Chinese's Fire Drill's" will now be known as "New Orleans' Hurricane Drill's")
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To: NormsRevenge

Mr. Rubin, I'll proudly salute you if we ever meet.


3 posted on 09/17/2005 2:21:41 PM PDT by ken in texas
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To: NormsRevenge
Rubin said he would pray in Hebrew for the U.S. soldiers — about 40 each day — who died in the freezing weather

Rubin, your place in Heaven is assured.

4 posted on 09/17/2005 2:27:34 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: ken in texas

The President must salute them, its required for him to salute any MOH recipient.


5 posted on 09/17/2005 2:36:56 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Americans need to remember Osama's "strong horse" -"weak horse" analogy. Let's stop acting weak.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Rubin wouldn't say anything negative about the Army and his long wait for the Medal of Honor.

A man worthy of the Medal of Honor wouldn't. It's just the way things are.

6 posted on 09/17/2005 2:41:34 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul
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To: NormsRevenge

Not to be too critical, but what is the basis for the Medal of Honor? I saw nothing in the article, other than the fact that he prayed. I wish the author of the article had pointed this out.


7 posted on 09/17/2005 2:52:34 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Liberalism cannot survive in a free and open society.)
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To: Finalapproach29er
The President must salute them, its required for him to salute any MOH recipient.

I'm not sure what the purpose of your post is. The President is not "required" to salute anyone. Salutes are rendered out of custom, respect, and tradition.

By tradition, a CMOH recipient would be saluted by all, irresprective of any difference in rank.

8 posted on 09/17/2005 2:57:39 PM PDT by ken in texas
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To: ken in texas

Yes, you are right. I never heard of a regulation that "required" a salute be given to a holder of the Medal of Honor. Rather, it was a courtesy to render them a salute. That being said, while I have never met a Medal of Honor winner, if I did, I would give the gentleman a salute.


9 posted on 09/17/2005 3:05:22 PM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: Cowboy Bob; NormsRevenge; Alouette

Did you miss the part where he picked maggots out of the men's latrine to prevent gangrene from forming in his fellow soldiers?

I don't know the basis for a Medal of Honor, but Mr. Rubin acted more than honorably. He made good on his promise to join the US Army, he refused repatriation to Hungary, and used his concentration camp knowledge to help keep others alive.

Chill out Bob.


10 posted on 09/17/2005 3:11:37 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Not to be too critical, but what is the basis for the Medal of Honor? I saw nothing in the article, other than the fact that he prayed. I wish the author of the article had pointed this out.

I had the same thoughts as you...but then I felt...what the hell..he's 76...give the guy the damn medal anyway.

11 posted on 09/17/2005 3:17:41 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I'm not a curmudgeon!!!! I've just been in a bad mood since '73)
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To: Focault's Pendulum; Cowboy Bob

Perhaps worthy of some thought: Here are the requirements;

The Medal of Honor is the highest medal awarded by the United States. It has only been awarded 3,428 times in the nation's history. Below is an excerpt of the Army regulation that describes the eligibility criteria for award of the Medal of Honor...


a. The Medal of Honor [Army], section 3741, title 10, United States Code (10 USC 3741), was established by Joint Resolution of Congress, 12 July 1862 (amended by acts 9 July 1918 and 25 July 1963).


b. The Medal of Honor is awarded by the President in the name of Congress to a person who, while a member of the Army, distinguishes himself or herself conspicuously by gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life or her life above and beyond the call of duty while engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States; while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force; or while serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party. The deed performed must have been one of personal bravery or self-sacrifice so conspicuous as to clearly distinguish the individual above his comrades and must have involved risk of life. Incontestable proof of the performance of the service will be exacted and each recommendation for the award of this decoration will be considered on the standard of extraordinary merit.

From chapter 3-6, Army Regulation 600-8-22 (Military Awards) dated 25 February 1995


12 posted on 09/17/2005 3:48:10 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it

Excellent. Give him the medal.


13 posted on 09/17/2005 3:50:44 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I'm not a curmudgeon!!!! I've just been in a bad mood since '73)
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To: NormsRevenge

Wow, what a story! I visited the Mauthausen memorial some years ago. That place was truly hell on earth. Then this man, who went through Mauthausen, survived a Chinese Communist prison camp!

Hey, Hollywood, here's a movie just begging to be made!


14 posted on 09/17/2005 3:53:37 PM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

I don't begrudge it to anyone but I'm not sure he meets the requirement considering others. In fact here is a link to the the first Medal of Honor given to an Army POW for actions taken during captivity in Southeast Asia. (I have no idea how many were given to WWII or Korea POW's)

Of course all duty is honorable and admirable. I'm glad I don't have to make the decisions.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/07/20020708-3.html


15 posted on 09/17/2005 3:59:24 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Focault's Pendulum
Mr Rubin was nominated for the MoH at least 4 times for heroic acts. From Army Public affairs
During numerous engagements, Rubin’s actions to engage the enemy and to tend the wounded, at careless disregard for his own safety, resulted in the heroic defense of his unit. In one such mission, Rubin single-handedly defended a hill for 24 hours thereby allowing his company to withdraw.
While a POW he regularly snuck out and stole food from the gaurds. He also used other techniques he learned in the KZ.

BTW, he was offered, but refused repatriation to Hungary.

16 posted on 09/17/2005 4:07:35 PM PDT by JAWs
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To: Cowboy Bob
Actually, we will have to wait for his official citation, which will be unveiled the 23rd for that. I will bet it will cover several of his actions.
17 posted on 09/17/2005 4:14:14 PM PDT by JAWs
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To: NormsRevenge
"I was only staying alive to get that medal and now I'm going to enjoy it,"

Hope you hang around a while longer to enjoy it and inspire other Americans by your story!

18 posted on 09/17/2005 4:15:08 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: snippy_about_it
I don't begrudge it to anyone but I'm not sure he meets the requirement considering others.

I'm sure there are thousands who sacrificed more and are more deserving than this gentleman, but I do not see any disrespect to them by him being awarded the MOH in his final days.

19 posted on 09/17/2005 4:24:37 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: operation clinton cleanup

If you want to see why he was awarded the Medal of Honor
go to http://www.army.mil/medalofhonor/rubin/citation/printable.htm


20 posted on 09/17/2005 4:48:26 PM PDT by macgregor_45
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To: snippy_about_it
A probably incomplete list of POW Medal of Honor recpients:

Posthumous recpients bolded

21 posted on 09/17/2005 4:57:23 PM PDT by JAWs
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To: macgregor_45

Yeah. After the 23rd!


22 posted on 09/17/2005 5:04:08 PM PDT by JAWs
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To: Finalapproach29er

As should we. I have met two in my day and I offered them anything they wanted - after I saluted them - yes even as a civilian.


23 posted on 09/17/2005 5:08:41 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: JAWs

Thank you.


24 posted on 09/17/2005 5:34:50 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: operation clinton cleanup

I agree. We see many periods in history where the "requirements" were lowered and then raised for certain medals. There are probably very few given that did not meet the standards.


25 posted on 09/17/2005 5:41:45 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

That's good to hear.


26 posted on 09/17/2005 5:45:20 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Americans need to remember Osama's "strong horse" -"weak horse" analogy. Let's stop acting weak.)
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To: operation clinton cleanup
I'm sure there are thousands who sacrificed more and are more deserving than this gentleman,

On the other hand, if he were denied his due recognition because of the bigotry on the part of a superior, does it not mean that justice and the ideals we hold so dear demand we give him his due recognition?

27 posted on 09/17/2005 5:51:14 PM PDT by JAWs
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28 posted on 09/17/2005 5:54:49 PM PDT by Alouette (Militant Neocon Pundit)
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To: NormsRevenge
Mr. Rubin is a true hero. Thank you Mr. Bush for finally recognizing his fine service to this nation.
29 posted on 09/17/2005 6:00:44 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: NormsRevenge
Ted, called concentration camp good "basic training" for being a POW and applied lifesaving lessons he learned there. For example, Rubin said he would retrieve maggots from the prisoners' latrine and apply them to the infected wounds of his comrades to remove gangrene.

There are some areas of knowledge that, having learned, one hopes never to have to use.

I'm very happy for this man to be honored -- finally.

30 posted on 09/17/2005 6:04:27 PM PDT by GretchenM (Hooked on porn and hating it? Visit http://www.theophostic.com .)
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To: NormsRevenge

G-d bless this brave man, and shame on anyone who intentionally schemed to have his bravery unrecognized.


31 posted on 09/17/2005 6:12:25 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Zakhor 'et 'asher `asah lekha `Amaleq baderekh betzei'tkha miMitzrayim . . .)
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To: NormsRevenge

Thanks for posting this, I heard it this morning on the radio. Maybe the Paul Harvey show?

It's a very inspiring story, it's great his fellow soliders stuck up for him; and he for them, of course.

God bless Mr Rubin!


32 posted on 09/17/2005 6:13:18 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Finalapproach29er

Thanks. Got to thinking about it and I have to revise my statement. Just to brag some - met Stockdale in 75, Audie Murphy in 68, Desmond Doss in 62, Jimmy Dolittle just before his death and got toilet huggin drunk with Pappy Boyinton in 1978 - I think - man that guy could drink.


33 posted on 09/17/2005 6:45:23 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: NormsRevenge

Thanks for a great post. Saddened that the MSM will never run the story - makes Bush, the military and Jews look too good. I read an earlier post on Power Line and cried when I read about how he smuggled food to his starving, ill fellow POWs - a lesson he learned in concentration camp. What a mensch. The medal seems a token. His life is a blessing.


34 posted on 09/17/2005 7:31:59 PM PDT by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: Finalapproach29er

Bravo Sierra.


35 posted on 09/17/2005 7:33:45 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: NormsRevenge

Outstanding for Mr. Rubin! I'm so glad he survived to see this day.


36 posted on 09/17/2005 7:52:13 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: A.A. Cunningham

It was in a book about the Medal of Honor put out about 5-7 years ago.

It says the President is required to salute any person known to be a MOH recipient.


37 posted on 09/17/2005 8:19:06 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Americans need to remember Osama's "strong horse" -"weak horse" analogy. Let's stop acting weak.)
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To: JAWs

This is such an inspiring story. This is the kind of man who made America great, and who, along with hundreds of thousands of like men, saw America through its darkest days.

I only hope I, or any of us, have the courage to act as he did when faced with such a situation.

By the by, I wonder if we're distantly related. Must check the old family tree...


38 posted on 09/18/2005 3:10:54 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Rubin, who goes by the name Ted, called concentration camp good "basic training" for being a POW and applied lifesaving lessons he learned there. For example, Rubin said he would retrieve maggots from the prisoners' latrine and apply them to the infected wounds of his comrades to remove gangrene.

Fellow POW Sgt. Leo Cormier said Rubin gave a lot of GIs the courage to live.

"I once saw him spend the whole night picking lice off a guy who didn't have the strength to lift his head," Cormier told the Army. "What man would do that? ... But Ted did things for his fellow men that made him a hero in my book."


Damn. Not much to add - to go through two such experiences in the span of a decade, would break most people. This guy was something else.
39 posted on 09/18/2005 12:08:49 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Finalapproach29er
The book is wrong.

Perhaps you can provide me the pertinent citation from the United States Code which affirms your incorrect claim?

You can't.

40 posted on 09/19/2005 9:16:27 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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