Free Republic
Browse · Search
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Danger lurks below in Oregon (Cascadia Subduction Zone)
Statesman Journal ^ | September 15, 2005 | BETH CASPER

Posted on 09/16/2005 4:07:47 AM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace

click here to read article

Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-25 next last
See for more info on the current Cascadia ETS that is underway.
1 posted on 09/16/2005 4:07:49 AM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: happinesswithoutpeace

Major malfunction in posting this, the end came out like a 1000 car pile up.

2 posted on 09/16/2005 4:09:25 AM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: happinesswithoutpeace

Well if we only change our policy towards Israel it will never happen...

Or say too many here on FR...

I don't understand how people in Oregon could think there aren't major faults nearby. That ring of fire thing passes right on through...

3 posted on 09/16/2005 4:16:01 AM PDT by DB (©)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: happinesswithoutpeace

If you play nice with the moderator he/she may fix it or let you repost it.

4 posted on 09/16/2005 4:17:09 AM PDT by DB (©)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: happinesswithoutpeace
Anything can happen anywhere at anytime.

You cannot stop an earthquake. People will die. Homes will be lost. The only thing you can do now is to have a good evacuation plan and hope for the best. Till then, worrying about it is unproductive - it may not happen too!
5 posted on 09/16/2005 4:25:28 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: happinesswithoutpeace

Bush's fault.

6 posted on 09/16/2005 4:31:05 AM PDT by kb2614 ("Speaking Truth to Power" - What idiots say when they want to sound profound!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: happinesswithoutpeace

The article is a bit panicky. As the writer puts it, the worst cast scenario is what will definetly happen. With the epicenter being probably 100 miles off the coast, when the big one comes the worst will probably not happen.

Of course, even if the worst case does not happen, the coast will still probably be devastated. I can see where all of the magnificent old bridges on Hwy 101 could come down, and then the only routes into the coastal towns would be from far inland.

Most Oregon coastal towns are not all that vulnerable to tsunamis. There is low-lying ground, but not that much, and high ground is mostly nearby. The biggest dangers from tsunamis, I think, are in the inland estuaries and bays. Waldport, Newport, Reedsport, Coos Bay and inland from Florence come to mind.

7 posted on 09/16/2005 4:37:33 AM PDT by jimtorr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nmh

From the Article:
"But she said there are easy ways for government to prepare people, like including emergency information in phone books, where even very poor people can access it."

Definately an Oreganian living under the rocks they must be quoting. There is already emergency information in the phonebooks, i've known that since i was a kid.

But what makes me laugh is the woman they quote in the article thinks the Guber'mint will help out in a emergency.
I am not going to depend on any government for assistance, i got extra food/clothes in my car. I just need to get a CC so i can keep my glock with me when i'm away from home, that's the only assistance i want from the Guvernmint is a CC..

8 posted on 09/16/2005 5:00:52 AM PDT by 1FASTGLOCK45 (FreeRepublic: More fun than watching Dem'Rats drown like Turkeys in the rain! ! !)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: happinesswithoutpeace

Sorry - I don't trust anybody named Goldfinger, whether he claims to be a scientist or not.

Besides, everyone knows that if there's an earthquake, it's going to be Bush's fault.

9 posted on 09/16/2005 5:20:02 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Nac Mac Feegle! The Wee Free Men! Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! We willna be fooled again!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


I'm becoming increasingly concerned about the government now being Santa Claus for natrual disasters. We already have government replacing Mom and Dad for womb to tomb coverage and not atural disasters are being heaped on the tax payers. Less and less is required of the individual. There is also a haughty arrogance and impatience that goes along with the natural disaster entitlement crowd.

I can only hope that Bush is referring to a Jack Kemp kind of empowerment not more entitlement crap.

10 posted on 09/16/2005 7:00:01 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: nmh

Self reliance is definately the way to go.
It should be taught in every school instead of the lame things such as Drama class etc... Self reliance classes would peak students interests and keep them in shape for the future.

Bush rocks! I love it when i hear a liberal whine about the war or what ever they want to whine about because i bring up good points and "shock and awe them" in a good way hehehe. :)

11 posted on 09/16/2005 10:10:31 AM PDT by 1FASTGLOCK45 (FreeRepublic: More fun than watching Dem'Rats drown like Turkeys in the rain! ! !)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: happinesswithoutpeace

**Oregon, unfortunately, has many weak links, earthquake experts and officials say**

Not the least of which is Kulongoski and the dimocrats.

12 posted on 09/21/2005 10:25:01 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: happinesswithoutpeace

“Salem is lucky because we don’t have any significant high rises,” said Tom Phillips, the building and safety administrator for the city. “Low-rise buildings seem to fair better. We seem to have lots of single- and two-story buildings, which all fare well. Most of the structures in the city are framed with wood, which seem resistant in the event of an earthquake. Older, steel buildings tend to fall apart quicker. Wood is flexible. Salem would probably fare very well, other than the downtown area.”

In 1996, Salem assessed the earthquake safety of its fire stations. Engineers estimate that $1.2 million would be needed to bring these critical buildings up to appropriate seismic standards and to install backup power generators. Station 7 on Liberty and and Skyline roads would need to be replaced.

The improvements have not been made yet. A bond measure to cover seismic upgrades and other maintenance is being considered for the 2006 ballot.
“It’s pretty important that these improvements get made,” said Salem Deputy Fire Chief Joe Parrott. “If we have that earthquake scenario (Cascadia Zone magnitude 9), we know this community is going to be pretty devastated. We need emergency forces out to help folks, and if the (fire station) doors are jammed up or the roof collapses, it is going to delay our response.”

Fire engines that are able to get out of stations aren’t much help, however, if they can’t travel the roads and bridges to neighborhoods, hospitals and schools.
The Oregon Department of Transportation changed bridge designs in 1990 to account for subduction zone quakes.

Despite changing designs so quickly after scientists sounded the warning, bridges throughout the state will be unpassable after a quake.
The state maintains about 2,700 bridges — local governments maintain an additional 4,000 bridges — and since 1990, 400 bridges have been replaced or repaired with updated standards. About 25 bridges per year are upgraded, with a focus on major routes such as Interstate 5 and Highway 101.

“The vast majority of bridges were built or repaired prior to 1990,” said Bruce Johnson, the transportation department’s bridge engineer. “Even though we are working as hard as we can to retrofit or replace bridges to make them seismically current, there are over 2,000 that were built before 1990.”

It’s not just state buildings, emergency facilities and roadways that aren’t structurally prepared. It’s also Oregonians who might be driving those highways, working in those buildings and needing emergency services, experts say.

“We don’t have catastrophic things happen like hurricanes or flooding every year,” said Kresner of the American Red Cross. “These things are few and far between, and people get complacent because of that. Not like in Georgia or Florida — those people realize that every June to December there is a possibility of a hurricane. That’s another part of the problem: People not taking the threat as seriously as it is.”
Sylvia Matsel, 68, is no stranger to disasters.

She lost her home to Hurricane Camille, one of the last great hurricanes to hit the southern United States. Camille killed 143 people and destroyed 6,000 homes.
Matsel and her family evacuated just before the 200 mile-per-hour winds and 20-foot-high tides smashed Mississippi’s Gulf Coast in August 1969.

When she returned to where her apartment had been, she could salvage just three things: a gold-and-jade bracelet, an aqua cooking pot and a baby book documenting details about her son, Jeffery. Everything else worth saving had washed away with the water.
Although the threat of hurricanes in the South was real to her, the dangers from earthquakes in Oregon is just mildly worrying.

“I know that I’ve never really heard much about preparing us for an earthquake,” she said. “I worked for the (Salem-Keizer) school district for 23 years, and we went under the tables for earthquake drills. But other than that, nothing.
“Even here at home, I’ve thought about what would happen if there was an earthquake. What would I do?” she asked. “They tell you to stay away from windows, but what would happen to me? And I live here by myself and my little dog, and which room would be the best in an earthquake? I don’t know.”

She’s not alone. Even people with experience in earthquakes don’t have a good understanding of what to do in the event of a quake in Oregon.

Sonya Gaub, 58, lives on the second floor of the Lee Apartments in downtown Salem. She has lived through the shaking and waving of several quakes — the most recent here in Oregon.

“I stood with (my dog) under the doorway, and I was watching everything wave,” Gaub said. “Everything looks like the picture is getting distorted. It’s a very strange feeling. You can feel the waving motion. You can see it. Even solid objects, like the refrigerator, wave. It’s a very strange feeling and it is very hard to think about what to do when it happens.”
But she said there are easy ways for government to prepare people, like including emergency information in phone books, where even very poor people can access it.
It’s the poor and other vulnerable populations that need help and information the most, experts say.

“This happens over and over again in terms of class disparity — the working-class and the poor fall between the cracks when big disasters happen,” said Wilson, a state emergency planner. “The elderly, disabled, people who have mental disabilities, who are on public assistance and the poor. This can apply to recent immigrants who have English as a second language too — people in Mississippi (before Hurricane Katrina) who spoke Spanish didn’t evacuate because they didn’t have the language.”
On the other hand, city, county and state officials, emergency planners and public employees train regularly to prepare for disasters, including earthquakes.
“At (the Department of Transportation), we try to be as prepared as we can for any kind of hazard with transportation,” said Rose Gentry, statewide emergency operations manager for the agency.

The entire state, led by Oregon Emergency Management, practiced response to the exact situation that scientists are most worried about: a magnitude 9 earthquake in the Cascadia Subduction Zone.

“All of our (transportation) officers participated,” she said. “We activated our agency operation center and regional centers, simulated bridge damage and folks went out and reported on the damage. We had that information come in to Salem and made decisions on what to do. And we assisted local government on their transportation and local government issues.”

Emergency workers say they want the state’s infrastructure and residents to be as well prepared as they are.

Fleeting interest
But the problem with addressing earthquake preparedness is two-fold: It’s expensive, and attention to the issue is fleeting.
Big disasters, such as the recent southeast Asia quake and resulting tsunami, scare the public and officials enough for some talk about preparing for a big disaster. But legislators and officials have been hesitant to commit precious funds to an event that doesn’t have an exact date.

“There was a little bit of talk about being prepared for earthquakes a few years ago (after the Scotts Mills quake in Marion County),” Gaub said. “About retrofitting buildings, things like that. They never did any of that, and once the aftershock of the earthquake wore off, there was no more mention.”

Sen. Courtney said it has been frustrating.
In past sessions, bills passed that required agencies to conduct seismic safety studies, but no money was set aside.

During this year’s session, Courtney championed a bill that allotted $330,000 for the state geology department to assess the earthquake safety of schools, colleges, police stations, fire stations and hospitals throughout Oregon.

“I have been screaming about this thing for three legislative sessions,” Courtney said. “The public deserves a lot of credit. On the November (2002) ballot with two measures, they said yes, we want at least $1 billion on retrofitting. But we haven’t even sold a single bond.”
The Oregon Department of Geology and Mineral Industries already has assessed large buildings on seven state university campuses. Some buildings, including residential halls at Portland State University and an administration building at the Oregon Institute of Technology, have already been retrofitted to withstand severe shaking.
More funds from the Federal Emergency Management Agency are being used to fix buildings at Oregon State University and Western Oregon University, where Courtney works as an instructor.

But these are just baby steps, Courtney said.

“We are nowhere near ready,” he said. “We are dangerously on the brink of tragedy in terms of deaths and loss of the Oregon economy. We can’t take a magnitude 9 hit today — we can’t take it at all.” or (503) 589-6994

13 posted on 09/21/2005 10:29:56 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: oregon; abcraghead; aimhigh; Archie Bunker on steroids; bicycle thug; blackie; coffeebreak; ...

Oregon Ping

Please notify me via FReepmail if you would like to be added to or taken off the Oregon Ping List.

14 posted on 09/21/2005 10:31:46 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: happinesswithoutpeace

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

15 posted on 09/22/2005 7:07:46 AM PDT by xander
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DB

WAHHHHHHH! Oregon wants a disaster too! It's not fair that the gulf coast gets all the good disaters!

16 posted on 09/22/2005 7:55:08 AM PDT by petconservative (4 more years (ilovemybush))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]


Self reliance taught in school instead of drama. Excellent idea! However, this is an article about Oregon, not going to happen in public schools. The drama teaching will come in handy when they show the victims on TV.

17 posted on 09/22/2005 8:32:16 AM PDT by Cold Heart
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: happinesswithoutpeace
"The state faces the likelihood of a major earthquake that would kill thousands and cause billions of dollars in damage -- and we're not ready for it."

No need to worry!

It is I,
and I'm here to save the day!

18 posted on 09/22/2005 8:39:15 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

There'll be a whole lota shakin' goin' on!

19 posted on 09/22/2005 9:40:20 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

Thanks for the Ping.

NOAA just did an earthquake weather radio broadcast test and they do weekly all weather/emergency tests which automatically turn on our NOAA radio.

Since the last tsunami warning MANY locals now have NOAA weather radio's so we are not at all depending on the local Govt.

King Vanity and I are in the process of installing a stationary generator that would sufficiantly run the house and it has all the bells and whistles such as self tests/runs once a month ect.

ALso King Vanity is now attending seminars in Marine Biology OSU and this one (see below) is coming up on his sched.

November 3, 2005 at 3:30pm, Thursdays, in the Library Seminar Room
Title: "Tsunami history of an Oregon coastal lake reveals a 4,600 year record of
great earthquakes on the Cascadia subduction zone"
Speaker: Dr. Harvey Kelsey – Department of Geology, Humboldt State University
Host: Bill Chadwick

20 posted on 09/22/2005 11:16:09 AM PDT by oceanperch (I love my Labradors Kolbe, Porter, Hunter and Yol)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-25 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794 is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson