Posted on 09/15/2005 7:03:21 AM PDT by groanup
Say what????
Nope all 5 have been completely refuted. The fact you continue to call anyone who doesn't agree with you a liar and dishonest says more about you than anyone else.
Riiiiight. That is why Boortz backed off his claims after Money Magazine refuted the fairtax claim.
Can't speak for what Boortz did or didn't do. but the magazine writer refuted nothing at all. He merely was making the same CLAIM that RobFromGa was making. That's a claim - not a refutal.
And there is little solid basis for the claim.
If you don't ELIMINATE the 16th Amendment, you still have the very real possibility of an income tax. FairTax doesn't address this at all.
You don't know the power of the dark side (aka government).
Thank you for pointing out that link.
A Dick Armey-style flat tax would be much better. If we can't *reform* the current system, then a complete overhaul is, in my opinion, a non-starter.
Remember, ANY tax system, with Congress in session, can and will be amended, even a purely-passed 'fair tax'. Also remember, your fair tax has yet to be edited in a tax committee. There is a reason Bismarck compared writing legislation with making sausages!!
Your fair tax has yet to edited in a tax committee. You guys are dreaming if you think that your law will remain pure.
What prevents the House and Senate from imposing the 2nd slaughter house today?
Nothing at all. Which is why I am commenting on this topic.
I've seen vendors at flea markets. They are not likely to collect and remit sales tax at all.
Another Loophole?!?!
If you are the seller, and I am the buyer (or vice versa) let's just split the difference and call it a day!
Oddly, the current bill already has ONE exemption for college tuition, which opens up the floodgate. Why not health expenses too?
By golly, how many loopholes can we come up with together? Worse, how many loopholes can 535 members of Congress?
Come to my flea market!
Not really. The FairTax repeals the income tax, eliminates (and defunds) the IRS, requires all income tax records to be destroyed and calls for the repeal of the 16th amendment.
Bring the income tax back a few years down the path would be more than unlikely. If there are enough votes to pass the FairTax and repeal the 16th then the I. T. is gone for our lifetimes.
At present thee is nothing to prevent congress from from voting both upon us at the same time. The FairTax prevents that - read the bill.
As I said, you have zero intellectual honesty. No matter how thoroughly something is proven, you just close your ears and kick and scream and deny. It is so worthless to debate someone like that.
That's not an exemption, however. College tuition was not taxed from the inception of the bill as it is presumed to be an investment in human capital.
Think of all the exemptions you like - but the tough part is getting them inserted into the language of the bill. This bill has huge grassroots support.
OTOH, the Armer/Forbes flat tax has little graassroots support and Forbes himself has said it is not revenue neutral. All of the flat tax plans also retain the payroll taxes, do not tax the illegal economy to any great degree, and have no provision to allow border-adjustability of taxes to help our exporters be more competitive in other countries.
Why isn't food 'an investment in human capital'? Or health care? Or housing? What pointie headed socialist decided that college tuition was the one thing that qualifies as 'investment in human capitol'?
Nothing from the magazine article or Robbie was "proven" at all. Those were just their own opinions of what they though the situation might be. Go ahead and "prove" it if you think you can. And don't just give out the repetitive stuff from those two sources. Come up with some new more definitive material.
BTW ... stop the personal insults.
Education is not consumed as the other things you mention, but builds a base for most people, presumably, to build upon and improve their standing on the economic ladder.
Seems to me there is far more justification for that not being taxed that for things that are clearly consumed.
What more definitive source do you want???? They contacted your expert who fairtaxers paid to do their research???? There is no more definitive material than that.
BTW ... stop the personal insults.
Stop it, you are killing me. However, I will stop until you start. I'll give it a day, two days tops.
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