Posted on 09/08/2005 11:09:02 AM PDT by lizol
like a child!
Why you think so?
"We have no problem with Russia"
good for you!
"But Germany our “strategic friend” from the EU should behave better."
i think Poland shouldn't dictate to germany or russia what to do or not do, how should behave etc.
"And I advise you, do not interfere into internal disputes between EU countries"
YES SIR! (joke) but seriosly, as shows the voting of the euroconstitution the old 15 members of Europe Union have regretted already about acceptence poland & baltic countries in EU
To your better understanding:
Export Partners:
This entry provides a rank ordering of trading partners of each country starting with the most important; it includes the percent of total dollar value. That means i.E. that Poland is shipping 29.8% of its overall Exports to Germany.
Import Partners:
This entry provides a rank ordering of trading partners of each country starting with the most important; it includes the percent of total dollar value. That means i.E. that Germany is buying 2.8% of its overall Imports from Poland.
Poland will develop and its economic influence is going to grow. But Germany is playing in a completely different league if we focus on economic power. Germany is still the fifth largest economy in the world (some say the fourth largest - depends on the systematic and methodology) and its biggest exporter. Poland is a upcoming country out of the former eastern bloc with a bright future but also tremendous problems. I do not want to compare the national economies, since they are simply not comparable in numbers - BUT if you would, you could find out that the German gross domestic product is maybe 5 times bigger than the Polish. Therefore the Polish consumers are not in the situation to blackmail Germany. There wouldn't be even local effects in the east of Germany if there would be a Polish boycott. Anyway the whole discussion is just ridiculous and a waste of time since you are probably the only one to boycott Germany.
P.S. 1
We do not live in the thirties anymore. Personally I do not like Putin, but to compare him with Stalin is absurd. It is even more absurd and crazy to compare Schroeder with Ribbentrop/Hitler. This is all emotional BS and easy to see through propaganda. The world will not get better if old stereotypes are being served. You should work on your argumentation chains.
P.S. 2
I liked your car. It looks like an old Packard to me.
Germany herself tried to establish political standards in the EU, which they pissed off now.
YES SIR! (joke) but seriosly, as shows the voting of the euroconstitution the old 15 members of Europe Union have regretted already about acceptence poland & baltic countries in EU
I should be so sure, they have a lot of profits because of enlargement. I mean their business, not average ignorant. They voted NO, because of many reasons, mainly stupid and unjustified but at last I’m very GLAD that constitution failed. You sound jealously to me.
"I should NOT be so sure..."
Well in all American or Japanese cars there are numerous German parts doing good work....
No real non-German solution.
Honestly I don’t believe in it, I think that you greatly exaggerate.
"You sound jealously to me"
what should i jealouse for?
You sound a littlebit like Leonid Breschnew before he invaded Czechoslovakia (sarcasm). BTW - I doubt that this pipeline is a threat to the security of Poland:
We discussed it already in another place:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1479598/posts?page=13#13
I don’t know, there is few reasons but I should ask you about your reasons. You often like to make such strange comments like “Poland is not western country for me”. So I suspect that you have problem with acceptance that Poland is in the west. From some reason you think that the East is worse (as well as Russia is worse). That is preety self-destructing logic.
It is true that it will take a long time to bring the EU closer together. In the moment the idea of the European "core" or the "Europe of the different velocities" is discussed again among the decisive circles in western Europe again. That means, that a "superstate" between France, Germany and the Benelux-countries is going to be created. Other EU-nations could join in in the future if they meet the (high) requirements. The EU-commisars Pascal Lamy and Günter Verheugen made a proposal in 2003 that France and Germany are starting a close conferderation. This would mean a united millitary and a united foreign policy. If we think not in short terms, but in decades, it is quite likely that something like this will happen. The French would not have rejected the constitution if it would have been restricted to western Europe. There was a lot of fear among them about a "integration" of the Turks too. Furthermore it would give France the possibility to play a real "important" role in this world if they would be united with Germany. My own compatriots will think solely about the economic advantages... Since there are quite interesting possibilities, I am sure that this concept will have its chance.
BTW - this idea is quite familiar with the conservative movement in western Europe. "Kerneuropa" (the European "core") is a term that was invented by Wolfgang Schäuble, a politician of the conservative German CDU.
Only 25% of the Russian gas transit flow via Poland. The rest via Slovakia. This is actually great opportunity to highly reduce transit via Poland. Other thing is that if trend to avoid Polish soil will continue, Germany will behave exactly like today. There is absolutely no reason to believe otherwise.
I am absolutely no friend of such a "core" since it will disqualify the nations out of eastern and southern Europe. Therefore it is dangerous to the European unitiy.
But - as I already said - it is quite likely that something like this will happen in the near future.
Quid pro quo.
If you want something, you have to give someting. Do you remember: "Nizza or the death??!" If Germans and Germany are overwhelmed with such mistrust and malignance you do not have to wonder, if they do not ask you before they decide. BTW - the new coming chancellor, Mrs Merkel, was in favor of this deal.
She will give Kwasniewski some lip-service and will tell him the old law tradition: "Pacta sunt servanda". That is the way it goes.
There is no chance to change anything in this business anymore, but it should be a example how things could go wrong.
"Poland is not western country for me" that is deffenetly not my comment, i didn't even write something similar. On the contrary i wrote that i respect your country a lot ( culture, history etc.) but i just can't understand the stream of negative towards russian & russia from you & your compatriots cause in Russia there is no even a hint on hatred to Poland.
"From some reason you think that the East is worse (as well as Russia is worse)."
- what ?
At last Germany many years worked for this mistrust. Seriously what you personally expect, that what will be our reaction? The Russians want to build this pipeline from political reasons and Germany join them with smile in your face. Your chancellor fell in love in Putin and completely forgot about his so called “European ideals” propaganda.
Mrs Merkel, was in favor of this deal. She will give Kwasniewski some lip-service and will tell him the old law tradition: "Pacta sunt servanda". That is the way it goes.
I’m aware of Merkel’s stand very well. That is why I think that there is absolutely no reason to believe Germany in the future. (do you agree?) Beautiful declaration it is one thing and reality second.
There is no chance to change anything in this business anymore, but it should be a example how things could go wrong.
There is ecologic aspect. Even if it would be impossible to block this project, we need to force investors to pay for it as much as it is possible.
Examples??! (In the younger history please. I understand the anger about the Nazi regime, but you will probably follow me in my view that the current Germany is not comparable with the tyranny 60 years ago.) As far as I know we opened many doors for Poland in the recent years.
Putin is absolutely no angel, but he is much better than any other Russian leader in the younger history (maybe except of Gorbatschow). Therefore Poland should work on its relation with Russia. The future of Europe as a whole (no matter if it is united or splitted in different nations) lies in the east and in the big possibilities of the Russian resources. We have the technology and they have the raw materials. That is not bad and we all have to work on it.
The dumb stereotypes against Russia and Russians lead to nothing.
Is Polish european civilized mind cannot think up something new "POLISH fighter"
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