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Michael "No Clue" Chertoff discusses US aid effort being criticized in New Orleans - Exhibit A
US Tax Payers | 9-1-05 | Chertoff

Posted on 09/06/2005 10:16:17 PM PDT by tallhappy

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To: Jewels1091

Too many sitcoms and Hollyweird fare viewed by MSM and the Shepple, everyone knows no problem goes unsolved for over an hour.


61 posted on 09/06/2005 11:31:16 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: RobbyS

The MSM has done more to depress and demoralize America and smear our image at home and abroad than Katrina ever could. Nothing from the MSM 24 and 7 but negativity, ineptness and a uncaring federal government for the victims has been forthcoming from them. The MSM & left wing kooks could only not wait until the dead were buried before their sky is falling scream. They could not even wait for living to be rescued and helped or the dead to be found and counted.

The MSM has lost all sense of reality and rational thought. Either they have not grasped, or worse yet, are ignoring, the sheer scope and enormity of this disaster. They would pick out whatever was within their limited camera range and that became "their" world as they saw it. Then inserting their slanted, uinformed, all is bad verbalization, to then be transmitted for viewing around the real world.

It is impossible to seek out each victim, give them individual care, comfort and make their lives right again, within a matter of hours. In a disaster of this magnitude, it takes time, not in hours, but in days, to mobilize and move massive human assets and material resources forward, and then to put those entities into effective action where required.

Governor Blanco of Louisiana, under the constitution, is responsible for recognizing the problems and implementing their in place plans of action. If Bush had told her, go to hell, he was federalizing the operation. The same ones yelling the loudest about inaction, would now be screaming that by taking such action, he had usurped the powers from duly elected LA and NO state & local authorities. Bush was in a MSM catch 22 from the get go, damned if he did, and damned if he didn't.

The chattering class is in a wet cat tither about FEMA for not doing anything soon enough. FEMA does not have armed troops or security forces (those are for the governor to call up) nor helicopters, nor do they have a rescue mission. FEMA exists for arriving on scene after the shti has hit the fan, they can be awaiting in the wings, but they are not first responders. That is the role of the state and local officials to assess and identify problems, then to direct FEMA (national guard and other federal assets) to those most urgent areas where required.

This entire New Orleans nightmare could have been prevented with a firm, no nonsense order, do it now, preventive action evacuation of New Orleans by the state and local authorities, whom did absolutely nothing to take and implement any such action in that regard.


62 posted on 09/06/2005 11:33:43 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Stop making excuses for the left. If DHS and FEMA officials spent a lionshare of their time getting their info from the media, they'd have little time to do their jobs.

Please. I'm not making excuses for the left. Not for one damn minute. Who are you making excuses for?

63 posted on 09/06/2005 11:37:43 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Looters: undocumented consumers || Looting: purchases with indefinite deferred payment plans)
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To: tallhappy

You do know that the City of NO didnt set the Convention Center up as an evacuation center?

It was broken into, looted and then people flocked to it because it was in a dry spot.

You must have seen the reports of the little girls gang raped and murdered there?




64 posted on 09/06/2005 11:38:02 PM PDT by BurbankKarl (u)
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To: Keith in Iowa

If citing from fact is "making excuse", then I'm making an excuse for reality.


65 posted on 09/06/2005 11:50:29 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is a form of insanity)
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To: tallhappy

I guess you don't have a clue as to how the system works. It is supposed to be a collaboration. The locals tell FEMA how it can help because the locals know their situation better than FEMA ever could.

When the locals are clueless as was in this case, everything else falls apart. Why is it you MSM liberal listening people refuse to see the truth?

Come down here to Florida and stay a year or two. You'll see how it's supposed to be done. Or if you live up north, study how Guiliani handled his situation.

You will see that the only difference between the poor response in New Orleans and the excellent FEMA response in Florida is the professionalism at the local level.

If you think the federal govt should have absolute control in emergency situations, just remember what happens to anything the federal govt controls. Properly working local control with assist from the feds is always best. In this case the democratic locals were not up to the task. They deserve the blame here not Chertoff.


66 posted on 09/06/2005 11:53:33 PM PDT by Waryone
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To: Jim Robinson
I wouldn't believe too much of the hate Bush media spiel.

I don't buy that at all.

I simply do not think Chertoff was on top of this at all.

I take this as representative of what could happen in a major terrorist act.

FEMA and our people are great and the greatest on Earth. The decisiveness and leadership and attention and focus of the leadership of these great professionals is what fell short.

This is not partisan and should not be made partisan. The political looters are sickening. Nagin and Blanco in my mind bear more responsibilty for what went wrong. The other side is playing the blame game against Bush hysterically and insanely. They of course blame only anyone associated with the administration, absolving anyone with a D- after their name.

I do not, though, see legitimate criticism of Chertoff and Brown as attacks on Bush. Libs do, but just because the libs want to use this for partisan purposes we can't simply take an opposite side for political purposes.

The problem with the shrill dem attacks is that they make us defensive. Everyone becomes defensive in such circumstances which means we will not be able to objectively address the shortcomings. This is a matter of national security and political gain playing is counter productive. There is no way on Earth the libs will do anything other than play this way. It is up to us to address what happened because the dems won't.

67 posted on 09/07/2005 12:11:09 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: claudiustg
What's with the 24/7 fire FEMA stuff? Bashing the Feds with Blanko and Nogin still holding forth seems like putting a bandaid on the nose of a man with two broken legs to me.

Their culpability is obvious and greater than the feds. New Orleans itself and the State government is the main cause of the failures.

They, though, are not appointed. They should be voted out or better, removed from office via whatever mechanism exists.

That the MSM only focuses on the feds, for all the obvious hate-Bush and slam him at any cost reasons, and not on Nagin and Blanco does not mean the feds deserve exoneration.

The worst thing that can happen is to begin equating analysis or criticism of the leadership at FEMA and Homeland Security with support for Hillary or dems. If so we cut off our own ability to use this to learn and strengthen response in the event of future attack. Making this partisan is the worst thing to do for our nation's security in terms of actually doing something tangible and productive for future responses. The dems of course don't care and make it partisan. We ought not and not be provoked to response by their unfair and dishonest tact.

68 posted on 09/07/2005 12:20:48 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Waryone
In this case the democratic locals were not up to the task. They deserve the blame here not Chertoff.

Nagin and Blanco deserve more blame. Of course.

This interview, almost two days after the levee broke, well before President Bush actually interceded and sped up the feds operations, is representative of how Chertoff did not understand the magnitude of what was happening at all.

69 posted on 09/07/2005 12:32:37 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy

Not having been to NO I'm not sure, but I've heard that the Superdome and the Convention Center are part of the same complex, separated by a walkway of 100 or 200 yds.


70 posted on 09/07/2005 12:40:51 AM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com (http://lonewacko.com/blog)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

The Superdome is a mile or so away from the Convention Center.


71 posted on 09/07/2005 12:56:24 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

They are not too far, but no. Not that close.


72 posted on 09/07/2005 1:00:03 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy

Yes, I agree: Chertoff is supposed to micromanage the street operations of search and rescue.


73 posted on 09/07/2005 2:22:31 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, Isn't it in the job description of the Director of Homeland Security that he/she is charged with coordinating street-level operations of every search and rescue team?


74 posted on 09/07/2005 2:24:17 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Is he supposed to be clairvoyant? The incompetent city government didn't tell Chertoff about the people in the convention center
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He could have watched freakin CNN or Fox news. Instead he sat around with his thumb up his you know what. There's no denying that the city and state response was woeful. What's also hard to deny is that FEMA/Homeland Security's response was (and continues to be) a day late and a dollar short.

What about Mississippi? They have a Republican governor and parts of their Gulf Coast doesn't have a federal presence yet either. You can't blame THAT on incompetent local officials.


75 posted on 09/07/2005 2:27:51 AM PDT by kms61
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To: cahome

Well I can't speak for anyone else's motive, but I'm just trying to make sure some of the problems get fixed. Not just on the state and local level, but the national level as well. And there are some on the national level. Plenty of them.


76 posted on 09/07/2005 2:29:22 AM PDT by kms61
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To: Waryone

In this case the democratic locals were not up to the task. They deserve the blame here not Chertoff
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It's not an either/or proposition. Just because the locals are guilty doesn't mean the Feds are innocent and vice versa. If this had happened under a Democrat Administration people here would be calling for Congressional hearings at minimum, and rightly so.

Don't turn a blind eye incompetence just because it happens when the White House is occupied by a Republican.


77 posted on 09/07/2005 2:33:29 AM PDT by kms61
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To: tallhappy

Wraong again. According to the article you posted they are 8 blocks apart. Check the second paragraph.

And a quick look at your recent posts show you have quite the hard-on for Chertoff and FEMA. Perhaps you should reccommend yourself for the job?

I'm sure they could really use an NPR-quoting arm-chair quarterback right about now.


78 posted on 09/07/2005 3:34:07 AM PDT by snuffy smiff ("the theory of Communism may be summed up in a single sentence:abolition of private property"-K.Marx)
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To: Jim Robinson
Not to worry. President Hillary will beef up FEMA and will make sure they know everything about everyone.

That day will come very soon in the future.  The day you will cower in fear of your own children who would gladly turn you into the thought police for thought crimes.  It will be their duty to report you for hate crimes to the local NEA and teachers at the public indoctrination centers (schools) so that you can receive counseling and treatment for your conservative afflictions.

As a matter of fact, the IRS already knows everything about you now thanks to the 1099 reporting system. Thought crimes are the next wave of the future.

79 posted on 09/07/2005 5:08:01 AM PDT by DH
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To: tallhappy

>>>His job and only job is to know such things...(?)<<<

And he only has 90,000 square miles of disaster area to cover. What is his problem, anyway? He should know everything that is going on in every square foot of the area at all times. If Bush is God who started the hurricane, I guess we should expect Chertoff to be at least a super-hero.


80 posted on 09/07/2005 5:16:43 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau ("Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." -- James 4:7)
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