Interview with Mark Vande Pol (FReeper Carry_Okie)

Sunni's Salon ^ | July, 2005 | Sunni Maravillosa & Mark Vande Pol

[SierraWasp]

"I also think much of the political mechanics you discuss are inherently suspected in conservative circles, but it's so much a part of the background noise that it isn't credited with the damage it's doing, nor do I think that the extent of the damage is grasped."

Could you expand on that theme for me just a bit? This is but one facit that I'm intensely interested in and I don't want to misunderstand what you are getting at. Please. I'm sincere!!!

[CounterCounterCulture]

Where's my BUMP? :-(

;-)

[calcowgirl]

It seems you've not only done your homework, you've done several people's homework, AND taken their tests AND written their theses. Are you really only one person??

Seriously, just reading the interview casts into stark relief the disparity between what I know and what I ought to know...

He makes my knowledge seem pretty inadequate and/or he motivates me to learn a whole lot more.
It depends on the day, lol.

BUMP!

[PA Engineer]

Thanks for the Shameless self-promotion post and bump. Great read and looking forward to reading your book. BTTT.

[b9]

Fascinating. Thank you.

There's a woman in Jackson, Wyoming named Lani Lamming. Ever heard of her?

She and her sons travel constantly with her herds of goats, hired by local govts from Idaho and Montana to Colorado to have them clear weeds in areas where toxic weed killers aren't allowed.

The little we learned from her made me realize what a highly complicated issue weed control is.

I hope you have much success as people become more aware, and care.

[calcowgirl]

>>Where's my BUMP? :-(

Bump?

[Billthedrill]

Awe and Admiration BTT. I am in complete agreement concerning the duties of land ownership. It ends up owning you. Guess that's part of the deal.

[sauropod]

Printing out to read.

[Issaquahking]

Mark, your work is always worth being pinged to! Thanks for the ping, I will read this after I get home from work today.


Self ping and bump for a great read.

[Just mythoughts]

Great post, great read, as a gardener I hate weeds myself, more than the unwelcome pests of all sizes.

I am in the mid-west, is your book relevant to all landowners.

[Carry_Okie]

Great post, great read, as a gardener I hate weeds myself, more than the unwelcome pests of all sizes.

Weeds can transform a landscape like nothing else. One of the consequences of labor mobility in our society is that new landowners are unfamiliar with local habitat and can't see the change. Teaching them can be maddening.

I am in the mid-west, is your book relevant to all landowners.

The book relies upon a local case, simply because without that you can't see the evil games played by the local bureaucrats and activists in enough detail to be useful to you. So although it talks about timber, it does template onto any resource management situation. Its discussions of TMDLs and endangered specious, for example, will raise knowing grins. Learning how comical this garbage really is will help empower you in public discourse.

[Carry_Okie]

Seriously, just reading the interview casts into stark relief the disparity between what I know and what I ought to know in order to help precipitate the trend toward a society-wide paradigm shift.

We are suffering from fifty years of brainwashing. I did too. It was a very painful and confusing withdrawal.

The principal reason conservatism doesn't sell is that conservatives usually don't understand how freedom works to solve everyday problems. Even if we could convince the powerless and dispossessed that coercive means eventually backfire, their needs are so immediate that it doesn't matter to them.

[Carry_Okie]

Where's my BUMP? :-(

I guess I should keep better lists. My apologies.

[Carry_Okie]

Fascinating. Thank you.

Yep, we conservative ideologues ain't so dumb. Some of us even have a few original ideas.

There's a woman in Jackson, Wyoming named Lani Lamming. Ever heard of her?

Nope.

She and her sons travel constantly with her herds of goats, hired by local govts from Idaho and Montana to Colorado to have them clear weeds in areas where toxic weed killers aren't allowed.

It's a good business. Goats and sheep can be taught which weeds to eat, even in-utero. The chemistry of the plants their mother eats is transmitted through milk as well.

The little we learned from her made me realize what a highly complicated issue weed control is.

Just the visual demands are enough to disqualify many people. The frequency of return visits is also highly variable with slope, sun, and soil. It's WAY too complex for a bureaucracy to manage.

If you want more to read, you can find some at the website: http://www.naturalprocess.net. I've finally got my new 'puter up and running to maintain it, so there will be some new material going up there soon.

[Carry_Okie]

Congrats Carry_Okie. Hopefully people read it all!

It's a lot to digest. I ain't just a tree-hugger.

[Carry_Okie]

Awe and Admiration BTT. I am in complete agreement concerning the duties of land ownership. It ends up owning you. Guess that's part of the deal.

Thanks Bill, that brought tears to my eyes, really. It doesn't matter how much it hurts, does it? You've just got to do it or it gets worse. The hardest part is being slowly surrounded by negligence and stupidity.

[Carry_Okie]

Great read and looking forward to reading your book. BTTT.

It's a long and thought-evoking read. I know people who've read it five or six times. Just don't take it too fast and don't be afraid to skip around.

[Carry_Okie]

Shameless self-promotion bump #4.

[Just mythoughts]

Thank you.

Your interview supplied many a sad grin. Our mere 3 acres was rural enough yet considered civilized when we the bank and the county took possession. The continuous problem I encounter is the weed seeds continuous blowing from the neighborhood, all are 3 + acre lots. Every time a lawn mower gets moving I see the results landing atop my above ground pool.

Land ownership is indeed very labor intensive, which is one of the reasons I think the trend is in huge houses place upon very tiny lots.

Sadly from my experience involving land management one never knows who exactly they are dealing with until the agreement gets published as legal decree. Conservatives sometimes only see "capitalism" the dollars, as a sign of progress, and fail to see the small print, which isn't capitalism at all.

I do appreciate your hard work and good mind.

[EggsAckley]

Howdy, CO. Thanks for the ping. Very interesting interview. I'm still reading the book, but it has to share my time with Dean Koontz, I'm afraid. Heheheh.

How do I get rid of that heinous weed with the little curly-cue stickers? It thrives in my orchard and loves Golden Retrievers.