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Interview with Mark Vande Pol (FReeper Carry_Okie)
Sunni's Salon ^ | July, 2005 | Sunni Maravillosa & Mark Vande Pol

Posted on 09/06/2005 6:58:52 PM PDT by Carry_Okie

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This is reprinted with permission from Sunni Maravillosa who does extensive regular interviews HERE. The original interview is HERE.
1 posted on 09/06/2005 6:58:55 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: SierraWasp; calcowgirl; Dog Gone; Jeff Head; Iconoclast2; Issaquahking; Torie; inquest; ...
Shameless self-promotion bump.
2 posted on 09/06/2005 7:01:59 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: cogitator; GreenFreeper

Ping.


3 posted on 09/06/2005 7:15:39 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is not conservative!)
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To: Carry_Okie
Allow me to promote Sunni Maravillosa

I'm certain the interview was fun.

4 posted on 09/06/2005 7:28:58 PM PDT by B4Ranch (The New World Odor is UN-American)
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To: B4Ranch
At 2,000 miles distance, your view was as good as mine.
5 posted on 09/06/2005 7:30:38 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: Carry_Okie

BUMP!


6 posted on 09/06/2005 7:33:23 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: rec; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; dirtboy; sauropod; AuntB; okie01; marsh2; highball
Second shameless self-promoting bump.
7 posted on 09/06/2005 7:33:39 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Great interview, CO.


8 posted on 09/06/2005 7:38:46 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Carry_Okie

Nothing shameless about it, Mark.

EXCELLENT Interview!

BUMP!


9 posted on 09/06/2005 7:40:22 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: Dog Gone
Thank you. I'm trying to get people to realize I ain't just a tree-hugger. All this stuff ties together.

What I want to be doing is teaching policy people, judges, and congressional staffers that there are more options out there than the current political divide might present.

10 posted on 09/06/2005 7:42:23 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie
You have your work cut out for you. Both the leftists, and those who profit from their agenda in the business world, are slightly better funded than you. I think.

Truth prevails in the long run, but only if it's given a fair shot.

11 posted on 09/06/2005 7:48:42 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Both the leftists, and those who profit from their agenda in the business world, are slightly better funded than you. I think.

lmao. Only "slightly"? Are you sure? Wait 'til David Rockefeller hears that.

I'm a commin' fir yew David.

12 posted on 09/06/2005 7:51:24 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: FOG724; KantianBurke; Anthem; No_Outcome_But_Victory; Brian S; SteveH; Roscoe; daviddennis; ...
Shameless self-promoting bump number 3.
13 posted on 09/06/2005 7:58:48 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie; rdb3; RadioAstronomer

smart people ping and support a friend bump.


14 posted on 09/06/2005 8:05:37 PM PDT by FOG724 (RINOS - they are not better than leftists, they ARE leftists.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Thank you bump


15 posted on 09/06/2005 9:06:21 PM PDT by Dust in the Wind
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To: blam; calcowgirl; Carry_Okie; ClearCase_guy; cogitator; CollegeRepublican; ...

ECO-ping! Sorry for all the double-pings I'm sure. Congrats Carry_Okie. Hopefully people read it all!


16 posted on 09/06/2005 9:16:19 PM PDT by GreenFreeper (FM me to be added to the Eco-Ping List)
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To: Carry_Okie
Here's the biggest BUMP TO THE TOP I can muster, buster!!!
17 posted on 09/06/2005 9:21:24 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: Carry_Okie

LOL


18 posted on 09/06/2005 9:22:38 PM PDT by B4Ranch (The New World Odor is UN-American)
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To: Carry_Okie

BRAVO! Magnifico!

It seems you've not only done your homework, you've done several people's homework, AND taken their tests AND written their theses. Are you really only one person??

Seriously, just reading the interview casts into stark relief the disparity between what I know and what I ought to know in order to help precipitate the trend toward a society-wide paradigm shift. I also think much of the political mechanics you discuss are inherently suspected in conservative circles, but it's so much a part of the background noise that it isn't credited with the damage it's doing, nor do I think that the extent of the damage is grasped. This whole thing is like some vicious cancer that rages on, as yet, undiagnosed although symptoms have been evident for quite some time. Sadly, most of our time is spent arguing on the level of which symptom to alleviate, by how much, over what period of time, and what color band-aid to put on it.


19 posted on 09/06/2005 9:37:34 PM PDT by HKMk23 (SAVE THE EARTH! STOP THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS!)
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To: Dog Gone; Carry_Okie
It ain't easy bein green and a conservative constitutionalist simultaneously, but the Vande Pol dude is doin it. We need to find him some financial backing that won't try to corrupt his "Natural Process!"

I once was a little suspicious of his ideas when I first met him on FR, but one reading of one of his early drafts of his book rescued me from those dark thoughts!!!

20 posted on 09/06/2005 9:38:52 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: HKMk23
"I also think much of the political mechanics you discuss are inherently suspected in conservative circles, but it's so much a part of the background noise that it isn't credited with the damage it's doing, nor do I think that the extent of the damage is grasped."

Could you expand on that theme for me just a bit? This is but one facit that I'm intensely interested in and I don't want to misunderstand what you are getting at. Please. I'm sincere!!!

21 posted on 09/06/2005 10:05:00 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: Carry_Okie

Where's my BUMP? :-(

;-)


22 posted on 09/06/2005 10:24:19 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: HKMk23; Carry_Okie
It seems you've not only done your homework, you've done several people's homework, AND taken their tests AND written their theses. Are you really only one person??

Seriously, just reading the interview casts into stark relief the disparity between what I know and what I ought to know...

He makes my knowledge seem pretty inadequate and/or he motivates me to learn a whole lot more.
It depends on the day, lol.

BUMP!

23 posted on 09/06/2005 10:25:41 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: Carry_Okie

Thanks for the Shameless self-promotion post and bump. Great read and looking forward to reading your book. BTTT.


24 posted on 09/06/2005 10:56:46 PM PDT by PA Engineer
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To: Carry_Okie

Fascinating. Thank you.

There's a woman in Jackson, Wyoming named Lani Lamming. Ever heard of her?

She and her sons travel constantly with her herds of goats, hired by local govts from Idaho and Montana to Colorado to have them clear weeds in areas where toxic weed killers aren't allowed.

The little we learned from her made me realize what a highly complicated issue weed control is.

I hope you have much success as people become more aware, and care.


25 posted on 09/06/2005 11:17:35 PM PDT by b9
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To: CounterCounterCulture

>>Where's my BUMP? :-(

Bump?


26 posted on 09/06/2005 11:27:51 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: Carry_Okie

Awe and Admiration BTT. I am in complete agreement concerning the duties of land ownership. It ends up owning you. Guess that's part of the deal.


27 posted on 09/06/2005 11:32:46 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Carry_Okie

Printing out to read.


28 posted on 09/07/2005 5:07:16 AM PDT by sauropod (Polite political action is about as useful as a miniskirt in a convent -- Claire Wolfe)
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To: Carry_Okie; Issaquahking
Mark, your work is always worth being pinged to! Thanks for the ping, I will read this after I get home from work today.


Self ping and bump for a great read.
29 posted on 09/07/2005 5:21:38 AM PDT by Issaquahking
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To: Carry_Okie
Great post, great read, as a gardener I hate weeds myself, more than the unwelcome pests of all sizes.

I am in the mid-west, is your book relevant to all landowners.
30 posted on 09/07/2005 6:27:59 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
Great post, great read, as a gardener I hate weeds myself, more than the unwelcome pests of all sizes.

Weeds can transform a landscape like nothing else. One of the consequences of labor mobility in our society is that new landowners are unfamiliar with local habitat and can't see the change. Teaching them can be maddening.

I am in the mid-west, is your book relevant to all landowners.

The book relies upon a local case, simply because without that you can't see the evil games played by the local bureaucrats and activists in enough detail to be useful to you. So although it talks about timber, it does template onto any resource management situation. Its discussions of TMDLs and endangered specious, for example, will raise knowing grins. Learning how comical this garbage really is will help empower you in public discourse.

31 posted on 09/07/2005 6:51:25 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: HKMk23
Seriously, just reading the interview casts into stark relief the disparity between what I know and what I ought to know in order to help precipitate the trend toward a society-wide paradigm shift.

We are suffering from fifty years of brainwashing. I did too. It was a very painful and confusing withdrawal.

The principal reason conservatism doesn't sell is that conservatives usually don't understand how freedom works to solve everyday problems. Even if we could convince the powerless and dispossessed that coercive means eventually backfire, their needs are so immediate that it doesn't matter to them.

32 posted on 09/07/2005 6:55:48 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Where's my BUMP? :-(

I guess I should keep better lists. My apologies.

33 posted on 09/07/2005 6:57:07 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: doodlelady
Fascinating. Thank you.

Yep, we conservative ideologues ain't so dumb. Some of us even have a few original ideas.

There's a woman in Jackson, Wyoming named Lani Lamming. Ever heard of her?

Nope.

She and her sons travel constantly with her herds of goats, hired by local govts from Idaho and Montana to Colorado to have them clear weeds in areas where toxic weed killers aren't allowed.

It's a good business. Goats and sheep can be taught which weeds to eat, even in-utero. The chemistry of the plants their mother eats is transmitted through milk as well.

The little we learned from her made me realize what a highly complicated issue weed control is.

Just the visual demands are enough to disqualify many people. The frequency of return visits is also highly variable with slope, sun, and soil. It's WAY too complex for a bureaucracy to manage.

If you want more to read, you can find some at the website: http://www.naturalprocess.net. I've finally got my new 'puter up and running to maintain it, so there will be some new material going up there soon.

34 posted on 09/07/2005 7:04:49 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: GreenFreeper
Congrats Carry_Okie. Hopefully people read it all!

It's a lot to digest. I ain't just a tree-hugger.

35 posted on 09/07/2005 7:06:01 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Billthedrill
Awe and Admiration BTT. I am in complete agreement concerning the duties of land ownership. It ends up owning you. Guess that's part of the deal.

Thanks Bill, that brought tears to my eyes, really. It doesn't matter how much it hurts, does it? You've just got to do it or it gets worse. The hardest part is being slowly surrounded by negligence and stupidity.

36 posted on 09/07/2005 7:08:19 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: PA Engineer
Great read and looking forward to reading your book. BTTT.

It's a long and thought-evoking read. I know people who've read it five or six times. Just don't take it too fast and don't be afraid to skip around.

37 posted on 09/07/2005 7:10:14 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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Shameless self-promotion bump #4.
38 posted on 09/07/2005 7:21:11 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Thank you.

Your interview supplied many a sad grin. Our mere 3 acres was rural enough yet considered civilized when we the bank and the county took possession. The continuous problem I encounter is the weed seeds continuous blowing from the neighborhood, all are 3 + acre lots. Every time a lawn mower gets moving I see the results landing atop my above ground pool.

Land ownership is indeed very labor intensive, which is one of the reasons I think the trend is in huge houses place upon very tiny lots.

Sadly from my experience involving land management one never knows who exactly they are dealing with until the agreement gets published as legal decree. Conservatives sometimes only see "capitalism" the dollars, as a sign of progress, and fail to see the small print, which isn't capitalism at all.

I do appreciate your hard work and good mind.
39 posted on 09/07/2005 7:27:04 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Carry_Okie

Howdy, CO. Thanks for the ping. Very interesting interview. I'm still reading the book, but it has to share my time with Dean Koontz, I'm afraid. Heheheh.

How do I get rid of that heinous weed with the little curly-cue stickers? It thrives in my orchard and loves Golden Retrievers.


40 posted on 09/07/2005 7:34:12 AM PDT by EggsAckley ("The pump don't work 'cause the vandals took the handle")
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To: Carry_Okie

Read about a third of it. Really interesting stuff.

Bump to finish reading later.


41 posted on 09/07/2005 7:41:24 AM PDT by kidd
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To: EggsAckley
Would that be the stickers with the cork-screw tails? If so, that would be filaree. Filaree is very popular with people with grazing animals, as it has a very high protien content. It's a tough weed, resistant to a good many herbicides. You can spray it, it will burn off, and then it puts up a single flower with hardly any leaves which makes it hard to see. I've beaten it back with RoundUp, but only very slowly. SpeedZone Southern works, but requires a Pest Control Applicator's license to purchase. Timing is critical, you have to get the plant in active growth in the early season. Soil temperature is the critical indicator.

A combination of perrennial grasses and pre-emergence and selective herbicides (such as SpeedZone) should work, but I have never attacked a large infestation.

If you don't like burrs, keep your eyes open for the bedstraws and hedge parsley. Both are spreading rapidly in Santa Cruz, thanks to County mowers. If you need photos to help identify these plants, send me a FReepmail with your email address and I can provide them to you.

Finally, if the burrs look like little bananas, that would be tarweed, which is native and a good soil conditioner. The best long-term management against tarweeds is good perrenial groundcovers, as the seedling is relatively non-competitive. One reason so many tarweed species are endangered is that government "protects" them by precluding soil disturbance they need to get started.

42 posted on 09/07/2005 7:46:54 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie

That corkscrew tail filaree sounds like it. The leaves also have stickers on them, kind of like nettle. There's even a third sticker-thingie that they produce before the corkscrews. I used to have them somewhat under control until this year. I think the heavy rains triggered a comeback of them.
Thanks for the info.


43 posted on 09/07/2005 7:57:55 AM PDT by EggsAckley ("The pump don't work 'cause the vandals took the handle")
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To: EggsAckley
Last year was the toughest weed control year I have ever experienced. It was also the greatest opportunity to use up the weed seed bank in many years.
44 posted on 09/07/2005 8:01:51 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I just googled filaree and sure enough, that's it. For the past 35 years we have referred to it as the "heinous weed." Glad to finally know its name. (but it's still heinous) ~<|;o)


45 posted on 09/07/2005 8:11:24 AM PDT by EggsAckley ("The pump don't work 'cause the vandals took the handle")
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To: sauropod; Carry_Okie

PING!!! :)


46 posted on 09/07/2005 8:12:39 AM PDT by countrydummy
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To: Carry_Okie
Bookmarking this for my non-Freeper husband. He is an engineer, chemist, etc. who has an intense interest in everything you have talked about. He will appreciate my thoughtfulness. LOL.
47 posted on 09/07/2005 8:32:16 AM PDT by mountainfolk (God bless President George Bush)
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To: GreenFreeper

Thanks for post, will FYI for later reading.


48 posted on 09/07/2005 8:34:14 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Carry_Okie

Bump.


49 posted on 09/07/2005 9:10:15 AM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: Mr. Silverback
This might interest you.
50 posted on 09/07/2005 9:20:09 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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