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Posted on 09/05/2005 2:34:54 AM PDT by HAL9000
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Microsoft is on track to outsource more than 1,000 jobs a year to China, according to blistering evidence released yesterday in Microsoft's increasingly nasty spat with Google over an employee who jumped ship in July.In a revelation that highlights the complexity of China President Hu Jintao's visit to Seattle and Microsoft on Monday, legal filings detailed claims of how Microsoft had offended the Chinese government by not outsourcing as many jobs as promised to Chinese technology vendors.
Chief Executive Steve Ballmer visited China in 2003 and promised to step up the pace, from $33 million worth of work a year to $55 million a year, according to a statement by Kai-Fu Lee, a former vice president who left to work for Google in July. Lee was charged with smoothing over relations with China and finding jobs that could be shifted to Chinese contract workers.
"At the time of my departure, MS was on track to outsource over 1,000 jobs a year to China," he said in a court declaration. A Microsoft spokeswoman said the company has transferred some projects to China "in order to free up teams here for other work."
(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...
This helps to explain Bill Gates' fulsome praise of China's Communist Leaders.
All we need is to have the Chinese inserting secret backdoors into the most prevelent operating system. The government should forbid this outright.
When is the boat leaving so we can get our jobs back over there.
I challenge ANYONE to relate one positive experience with an Indian (or otherwise) outsource help desk computer person.</p>
WTF are these coporate people thinking?
Oh come on, man. This is Free Trade! We're only outsourcing jobs Americans don't want to do anyway, and it's not like they are high-tech jobs. What, are you still building buggy whips? Are you suggesting that we need protection against China? Don't you know how Free Trade works?
No, I'm watching the movie "Ned Devine" and laughing my ass off as that skinny little guy is riding a motorcyle nekid.
I have to remember to play the lottery today.
I had one. I was reinstalling Xp after a major hardware upgrade. It would not install due to there being too many hardware changes. An India help desk operator was able to get me a new install code and I was back in business.
Hmm...I've not seen that movie...
I'm still laughing at the movie though. So glad I've got the Irish in me.
CQ? CQ?
:-)
Nicely said, but only partly true. There is no douby Microsoft will turn enormous profits, and that one of the reasons is the inexpensive overseas labor. So in that regard the blue chip will remain blue.
The bigger issue, of course, is whether there is - or should be - any connection between foreign policy and trade policy. When - if ever - do we trade with our enemies, and does the US government have the right - in a capitalist economy - to impose such limitations and tariffs?
If only that was true. First we exported our manufacturing industry now our service industry.
Even if we cut taxes to the bone could we compete with the expanding Chinese and Indian labour market.
I work as a Java developer, I have seen many software jobs go to India.
I know all about how a free market operates but it is hard to have a so what attitude when you have a family to support and never sure whether you will still be employment tomorrow or next month.
Tony
There will be NO secrets from the Chinese government. They are our system administrators now.
It's a quaint, odd movie (1998).
It's about an old guy called Ned Devine that wins the lottery and passes away in his chair when he sees his number come up on the toob.
The whole town conspires to substitute a winner and divide the winnings.
Full of great Irish characters, scenery, and music. Like a trip back to the old sod.
Trust me, I don't go for nekid guys riding motorbikes, but it is a funny scene.
This poor Irish guy is so emaciated, passing himself off as the real Ned Devine, and looks so diriculous, you can't help but belly laugh. Without the Irish humor in me, I'd have been dead decades ago.
There's actually a bar up here in Boston that has the same name. I'm not sure if it's a chain or just a solo operation.
A free market - where all the patricipants adhere to the principles of capitalism and the governments are not participants but observers - will promote free trade because it has capitalism at its core.
Call me instead of India next time, resident FR computer consultant.
Unless you're a man, in which case you're on your own. I only give it away for free to women, LOL.
C: "My new computer won't start."
IHD: "Reinstalling your C compiler, fix the problem will."
C: "Ahhh.... and how can I do that if it won't start?"
I suppose there are some who are competent, but if even half of them were were, companies wouldn't be trying to give them a mid-western "accent".
We should outsource to the Balkans!
;-)
Thank you that was a very thoughtful and incisive reply.
Tony
Me: "This modem won't work."
Answer: "Have you tried our on-line support?"
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ping. how long before yellow bird shows up and blames linux?
Of course it's all Linux's fault. I mean, how can an American company with over 90% of the browser market, and over 90% of the OS market compete with little upstarts that people can give away for free?
Poor little MS--they only have multiple billions of cash reserves. How can that possibly last when they're "competing" against free software?
Soon to be renamed TraitorSoft
Good thing Microsoft is here to protect is from the ChiComs, huh?
ROTFL
Moasoft. Thats the ticket.
Disgusting, but still far behind IBM and their transfers, including up to 10,000 at once.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2004-12-08-ibm-china_x.htm
http://www.highbeam.com/library/doc0.asp?docid=1P1:88713152&refid=ink_tptd_np&skeyword=&teaser=
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/06/24/business/ibm.php
Use Apple if you don't like Microsoft, I just have a problem with Linux, a freeware clone of Unix being developed by IBM that is the official operating system of the Chinese government.
Yep. You've sure convinced me. You spent an entire word condemning Microsoft before you launched into another tirade against Linux. A whole 2% of your post actually was spent on saying you disagreed with MS.
Yup--color me impressed.
I'm getting rid of IBM and Linux. When are you getting rid of Microsoft?
Great, glad to hear it.
When are you getting rid of Microsoft?
When the DNC starts endorsing their products like they do Linux and open source, when they start giving their software away to China and other communist governments for free like IBM and Red Hat do, and when their supporters primarily consist of raving mad lunatics who want to make all software free. When those things happen, I assure you I will speak out against them at every opportunity.
What a load of bloviating hypocrisy. Microsoft and Bill Gates are actively praising and supporting the ChiCom Leaders - far more than we've ever seen from the Linux community.
Ridiculous, while I'm certainly not happy about Microsoft's growing commitment to China, they are simply playing catchup with the ties already built by IBM and the open source communists.
IBM sought a China partnership, not just a sale
IBM to launch Linux technology center in south China
US sees a spy in China's Lenovo
IBM bundles up with Chinese Linux company
IBM votes for more offshore outsourcing
It's obvious that you don't really give a damn about China - your comments are merely a cynical ploy to divert attention from Microsoft's support of the evil ChiCom dictatorship. If Adolph Hitler was running Microsoft, you'd still support them.
Completely wrong. I created a whole thread to call out Gates earlier this year when he made pro-China comments, which were in stark contrast to his previous anti-communist statements.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1345585/posts
Get your facts straight before you try to get personal.
I'll start believing you when you start putting your money where your mouth is.
Every US corp is trying to do business in China, including Apple. The ones I have a severe problem with are the ones that literally GIVE their products away to the Chicoms for free. Once the problem of these givaways are resolved, we can work to stop all tech transfers to China, which should be our ultimate goal, so long as they are a totalitarian government. But you aren't making any progress on that until you at least take the baby step of cutting off the transfers that are happening for free, there's literally nothing in that for us, at all.
But Microsoft goes far beyond doing business with them. Bill Gates gives lavish praise and active support to the ChiCom dictatorship - and you give nothing but lip service about it.
I already told you, if he starts giving the Chicoms software literally for free and selling them major parts of his hardware business for pennies on the dollar, like IBM has done and continues to do, I'll treat them with equal disdain. And I do find his latest comments disgusting, but he has been on record criticising communism before, and president Steve Ballmer has been extremely outspoken against communism. Apple hired Al Gore to be on their BOD after he lost the election, so it's not like they're a bastion of concervatism themselves. I see both Apple and Microsoft as fairly middle of the road, while IBM and open source is 90% leftist/communist.
http://partners.nytimes.com/library/world/110197us-china.html
My sumpathies to the good American workers whose jobs are being exported to China, India and beyond.
Kiss those jobs goodbye.
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