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Yes, Virginia, There Really Are Communists, Just Not That Many
Captain's Quarters ^ | August 31, 2005 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 08/31/2005 6:52:17 PM PDT by OESY

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To: msnimje

Who funds International ANSWER?

(I've been trying to find out for years.....)


21 posted on 08/31/2005 8:01:54 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("Avoid novelties, for every novelty is an innovation, and every innovation is an error. " - Mohammed)
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To: strategofr

Both the UnAmerican Activities Committee and Florida's Johns Comittee said America was permeated with Commies and Queers.

Looks like there were far more of those things than were known by either group.


22 posted on 08/31/2005 8:07:13 PM PDT by GladesGuru ("In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles)
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To: OESY

If you research a leftist website via the internet, you will, most likely, find support/money from the US Communist party. I think this article is a smokescreen.


23 posted on 08/31/2005 8:20:48 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: Archon of the East

"No there aren't that many card carrying Communist's anymore, history has sent that term to the scrap heap. However like all things left and post modern the communist simply morphs into a more tolerable socialist until that word becomes taboo then it becomes progressive and so on. I tend to link communist with the general "no enemies to the left" leftist revolution that has not died and in fact is more dangerous than ever. While Cindy may or may not know or understand the objectives of her main supporters she never the less is keeping some pretty "red" company."

Amuse yourself one night. Do some research on Hitlery; you'll find out about her ties to the Socialists, etc.


24 posted on 08/31/2005 8:25:40 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: All
Excellent commentary thus far. Socialism, in one name form or another, has been with us for centuries.

An obvious example are the Levelers of medieval England, that bribed and controlled the mob in London, making it dangerous even for the King to visit his Capital City, unless concessions were made.

Society does not advance where ever socialism gains control.
Followers of Fabian Socialism were willing to wait centuries to control America, and are astonished at the rapid advance of Federal Socialism, which permeates the country.
Our society is even now in decline, polarized in hate and fear and contempt.

Of course, History shows that eventually, a strong leader will step forward to stop revolution and anarchy, and demand sole authority and great power, and then the real misery and oppression begins.
Oddly, every socialist you meet believes that they are that next leader.

Socialism truely is an incurable, insidious and fatal disease.

25 posted on 08/31/2005 9:26:56 PM PDT by FreedomFarmer (Socialism is not an ideology, it is a disease. Eliminate the vectors.)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
I was thinking of Americans, like John Chandler Bancroft Davis, Clerk of the US Supreme Court (it's about half way through the article).
26 posted on 08/31/2005 10:20:51 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Brad Cloven
Who funds International ANSWER? (I've been trying to find out for years.....)

It was founded by the world class Yahoo Ramsey Clark. I do not know whence comes their funds but it is probably the usual suspects.

27 posted on 08/31/2005 10:30:38 PM PDT by msnimje
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham; OESY; All

***....It is because America is a democracy and the people endorse it, that the left's anti-American, but "progressive" agendas can only be achieved by deceiving the people. This is the cross the left has to bear: The better world is only achievable by lying to the very people they propose to redeem.

Despite the homage contemporary leftists pay to post-modernist conceits, despite their belated and half-hearted display of critical sentiment towards Communist regimes, they are very much the ideological heirs of Stalinist progressives, who supported the greatest mass murders in human history, but who remember themselves as civil libertarian opponents of McCarthy and victims of a political witch-hunt. (Only the dialectically gifted can even begin to follow the logic involved.)

To appreciate the continuity of communism in the mentality of the left, consider how many recent Hollywood promotions of the industry Reds and how many academic apologies for Stalinist crimes (in fact, the vast majority of recent academic texts on the subject) have been premised on the Machiavellian calculations and Hegelian sophistries I have just described.

Naturally, today's leftists are smart enough to distance themselves from Soviet Communism. But the Soviet dictator Nikita Khrushchev was already a critic of Stalin forty years ago. Did his concessions make him less of a Communist? Or more?

On the other hand, conservative misunderstanding of the left is only in part a product of the left's own deceits. It also reflects conservatives' inability to understand the religious nature of the progressive faith and the power of its redemptive idea. For instance, I'm often asked by conservatives about the continuing role and influence of the Communist Party, since they observe quite correctly the pervasive presence of so many familiar totalitarian ideas in our academic and political culture. Though still around and sometimes influential in the left, the Communist Party has been a minor player for nearly fifty years. How can there be a communist left (small "c" of course) without a Communist Party?

The short answer is that it was not the Communist Party that made the left, but the (small 'c') communist Idea. It is the idea, as old as the Tower of Babel, that humanity can build a highway to Heaven. It is the idea of returning to an Earthly Paradise, a garden of social harmony and justice. It is the idea that inspires Jewish radicals and liberals of a tikkun olam, a healing of the cosmic order. It is the Enlightenment illusion of the perfectibility of man. And it is the siren song of the serpent in Eden: "Eat of this Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and you shall be as God."

The intoxicating vision of a social redemption achieved by Them-this is what creates the left, and makes the believers so self-righteous.

And it did so long before Karl Marx. It is the vision of this redemption that continues to inspire and animate them despite the still-fresh ruins of their Communist dreams.

It is this same idea that is found in the Social Gospel which impressed the youthful Hillary Clinton at the United Methodist Church in Park Ridge, Illinois. She later encountered the same idea in the New Left at Yale and in the Venceremos Brigade in Communist Cuba, and in the writings of the New Leftist who introduced her to the "politics of meaning" even after she had become America's First Lady. It is the idea that drives her comrades in the Children's Defense Fund, the National Organization for Women, the Al Sharpton House of Justice and the other progressive causes which for that reason still look to her as a political leader.

For these self-appointed social redeemers, the goal-"social justice"-is not about rectifying particular injustices, which would be practical and modest, and therefore conservative. Their crusade is about rectifying injustice in the very order of things. "Social Justice" for them is about a world reborn, a world in which prejudice and violence are absent, in which everyone is equal and equally advantaged and without fundamentally conflicting desires. It is a world that could only come into being through a re-structuring of human nature and of society itself. ...***

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39611fde5615.htm


28 posted on 09/01/2005 12:40:33 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: hombre_sincero
If I had access to a temporal displacement device (AKA "time machine"), I'd strangle Antonio Gramsci in his crib, ventilate the skull of Josef Dzugashvilli (Stalin) as he strolled through the courtyard at the seminary, and see to it that Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels suffer entended, agonizing demises (with a pair of pliers and a blowtorch) before their evil works ever see a printing press (as well as burn the manuscripts and anyone who had read them or aided in their drafting).

There is really no torment sufficient to punish the monsters I listed for their hideous crimes against human life and liberty.

/ Skynet

29 posted on 09/01/2005 2:38:46 AM PDT by FierceDraka (The Democratic Party - Aiding and Abetting The Enemies of America Since 1968)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Thanks for this important post. (I thought I recognized David Horowitz' insightful style.)


30 posted on 09/01/2005 5:26:58 AM PDT by OESY
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To: OESY

He knows the beast.


31 posted on 09/01/2005 5:32:38 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Carry_Okie; FierceDraka; msnimje; FreedomFarmer; Cincinatus' Wife
Fascinating stuff.

The problem is that most Americans don't have the time to sift through the underlying history of common and Constitutional law, which is probably why it's relatively easy to castigate brilliant scholars like Robert Bork and Antonin Scalia, who are two of the most eloquent spokesmen for originalism, but are routinely (successfully) demonized by dimwits like Joe Biden and Ted Kennedy, who know absolutely nothing about this nation's bedrock legal document.

Horowitz probably has greater insight into the seditious left's attempts to undermine our resolve on the domestic front than any other contemporary polemicist/pundit.

He wrote a very incisive essay-entitled "The Passion of the Jews"-years ago for Ramparts, when he was still a proud member of the new left.

It dealt specifically with the seeming conflation, among Jews, of Utopian notions of compassion and humanitarianism and contemporary strains of socialist political dogma.

Even though it focused almost exclusively upon the struggle within the Jewish community to reconcile essential Talmudic law and religious truths with modern notions of egalitarianism and equality, the idea of "tikkun olam," expressed in the continuing drive to save humanity through utopian socialist schemes, is not unique to one faith.

32 posted on 09/01/2005 8:35:50 AM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
Fascinating stuff.

Yup. It took a long time to put that article together. Your comments thereon would be welcome. I am still composing a piece to respond to one of its later posts. It ain't dead yet.

Want more? This thread contains an interesting speculation on my part that links together the forces you mention.

It dealt specifically with the seeming conflation, among Jews, of Utopian notions of compassion and humanitarianism and contemporary strains of socialist political dogma.

There's nothin' quite so inequitably profitable as being the enforcer of "equality, compassion, and humanitarianism."

BTW, to me, the term "Talmudic law" is an oxymoron. The Commandments are the Law; the Talmud is human interpretation of that Law to the point of virtual meaninglessness, simply because if one writes statutes to cover everything they inevitably conflict. My kids are writing a term paper on the fall of the Roman Republic. One of the key steps was to adopt Athenian Law, and then the patricians went about interpreting that law as a way to bend the game in their favor.

33 posted on 09/01/2005 9:38:31 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: OESY
Kill A Commie For Mommie
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34 posted on 09/01/2005 9:45:24 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("If it's brown, drink it down. If it's black send it back." Homer's guide to drinking in Springfield)
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35 posted on 09/01/2005 5:40:59 PM PDT by OESY
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