Question. What are all these poor people going to do for jobs when this City Council is done beating local businesses into the ground?
First they foisted an increased minimum wage on the Madison businesses. Then they banned smoking, putting bars, taverns and restaurants in jeopardy. Now they want to force Madison employers to pay people with "beer flu" or have a sick kid when they don't show up for work.
Unreal.
To: Diana in Wisconsin
Who pays the self-employed when they get sick?
2 posted on
08/23/2005 12:58:48 PM PDT by
Atlas Sneezed
(Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
To: Diana in Wisconsin
They'll eventually drive out all the businesses-- fine, that's what needs to happen.
The U of W Madison was just selected as the nation's #1 party school-- so the town AND the university is full of deadbeats.
3 posted on
08/23/2005 1:01:28 PM PDT by
zipper
(Freedom Isn't Free)
To: Diana in Wisconsin
Actually, as a public policy measure, this makes sense. Mildly ill workers who take days off are less likely to get sicker (and miss many more days of work, which costs businesses money), moreover, they're less likely to spread illnesses to other employees. In an ideal world, however, this is something that employers do for themselves, not a legislative fiat.
4 posted on
08/23/2005 1:01:58 PM PDT by
Alter Kaker
(Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
To: Diana in Wisconsin
In other news, crowd over whelmingly supports six weeks paid vacation, company paid lunch, and the right to tell the boss to STFU.
Owl_Eagle(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,
it was probably sarcasm)
5 posted on
08/23/2005 1:02:39 PM PDT by
End Times Sentinel
(In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
To: Diana in Wisconsin
The accountant opposed to the proposal, Bret Willoughby, said individual unions should bargain for paid sick leave for part-time workers and that applying the standard citywide would be "sticking your hand in the hornets' nest." Yup.
One vote for liberty.
6 posted on
08/23/2005 1:03:25 PM PDT by
Izzy Dunne
(Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
To: Diana in Wisconsin
Excuse me, please, but it doesn't matter what the employees want - it only matters what the employer is willing to offer to get the employees he wants.
7 posted on
08/23/2005 1:04:03 PM PDT by
Little Ray
(I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
To: Diana in Wisconsin
Don't get me started on the free/reduced lunch crowd in our public schools.
A newspaper investigation found that a high percentage of the applications were false. The school system knows this but does nothing. The reason? Federal Money.
What does this teach our children? That it's OK to lie if it gets you what you want.
9 posted on
08/23/2005 1:05:38 PM PDT by
PeteB570
To: Diana in Wisconsin
Only one speaker, an accountant who said he was representing only himself, criticized the "Healthy Families, Healthy City" proposal as the audience of 100 or so groaned around him Monday night. Evidently the poor accountant doesn't realize that all companies have piles of unused money laying around and the only reason they don't give it to their employees is because they are too mean and stinghy.
10 posted on
08/23/2005 1:05:59 PM PDT by
E. Pluribus Unum
(Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
To: Diana in Wisconsin
Mike Quieto, a bartender and a University of Wisconsin-Madison teaching assistant, said he could call in sick for one job, but not the other. "I didn't infect my students, but I did sneeze in your cocktails," he said. "And I'm sorry for it."Apparently he's not sorry enough to just call in sick. Stick your apology Mike!
Remember the issue here is not whether or not people can call in sick, but whether they still get paid after calling in sick. Mike, as a TA, was working a salaried position with benefits and perks. Mike, as a bartender, was probably working on a per-hour basis with tips thrown in. Hey Mike, do you also want your customers to send you tips for the work you didn't do when you had your runny nose?
12 posted on
08/23/2005 1:08:24 PM PDT by
PMCarey
To: Diana in Wisconsin
100 to 1, Crowd Backs Paid Sick Days (Madison, WI) What an asinine headline (by the paper).
Was there a single solitary employer in the room?
NO.
If you poll 101 bank robbers, you'll likely get 100 votes for outlawing jail, too.
Doesn't mean we ought to do it.
13 posted on
08/23/2005 1:09:06 PM PDT by
Izzy Dunne
(Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
To: Diana in Wisconsin
He said that in the end, business leaders "don't give a damn about workers." Au contraire, business leaders give their right arms for talent. They will do anything to attract it, compensate it, and entice it to stay.
If they aren't doing any of that for these individuals, there must be a reason... ;)
The "job" is dead, but these dodos don't realize it, yet.
16 posted on
08/23/2005 1:10:04 PM PDT by
Mr. Jeeves
("Feelings are not a tool of cognition, therefore they are not a criterion of morality." -- Ayn Rand)
To: Diana in Wisconsin
He said that in the end, business leaders "don't give a damn about workers."Perhaps, but the reverse is also true. Employees don't give a damn about their employers and seek to screw them every chance they get.
17 posted on
08/23/2005 1:12:05 PM PDT by
Lizavetta
(Let not your heart be troubled.......)
To: Diana in Wisconsin
Free! FREE paid sick days! FREE health care! FREE Lambourghini Countachs for ALL!
Hey, where'd all the taxpaying businesses go? *chirp chirp*
18 posted on
08/23/2005 1:12:54 PM PDT by
pogo101
To: Diana in Wisconsin
"I don't think that this will impose any severe financial burden," he said.
So said the esteemed economist, Mike Goodman of Madison.
20 posted on
08/23/2005 1:14:15 PM PDT by
andyk
(Go Matt Kenseth!)
To: Diana in Wisconsin
this for the low wage workers. the ones who probably already get a bunch of federal money anyway? free insurance, food, housing assistance, huge tax breaks, paid daycare...
look people, i'm glad you at least work, but mcdonalds shouldn't have to pay you to be sick. this can and will lead to abuse of the system. also this isn't fair when you think about the fact that most of these "low wage jobs" have to call someone else in to cover the work the sick person isn't doing.
21 posted on
08/23/2005 1:22:09 PM PDT by
absolootezer0
("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
To: All
100 hard-working and put-upon Liberals in the crowd, and 1 Conservative who hasn't worked an honest day in his life!
Well, that's how Howard Dean would describe the scene, anyway... ;)
25 posted on
08/23/2005 1:28:29 PM PDT by
Diana in Wisconsin
(Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
To: Diana in Wisconsin
Simple business solution #1: turn vacation days into sick days.
Simple business solution #2: tell City Council to "stick it" and make it stick.
27 posted on
08/23/2005 1:35:02 PM PDT by
balrog666
(A myth by any other name is still inane.)
To: Diana in Wisconsin
Doing a little bit of quick math: if employees average 4 sick days per year (including illnesses, injuries, hangovers, and long weekend flu), all the boss has to do is cut everyone's pay by 2% to cover them. I'm sure everyone in Madison will be happy with that.
29 posted on
08/23/2005 1:39:27 PM PDT by
KarlInOhio
(Bork should have had Kennedy's USSC seat and Kelo v. New London would have gone the other way.)
To: Diana in Wisconsin
The usual.........
Madison is defined as 20 square miles surrounded by reality.
32 posted on
08/23/2005 2:57:28 PM PDT by
newcthem
(Legal voters? We don't need no stinkin legal voters.....This is the Peoples Republic of Wisconsin.)
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