Posted on 08/18/2005 6:34:27 AM PDT by GPBurdell
That's why I call you ROngie ... you've picked the one about your little fairie friends as the one you think is correct - and that's the only one that ISN'T correct.
The rest are correct, though, and I guess you must now be peeking at the hated FairTax website to find out what really happens. Good Job!
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John Linder in the House(HR25) & Saxby Chambliss Senate(S25) offer a comprehensive bill to kill all income and SS/Medicare payroll taxes outright and replace them with with a national retail sales tax administered by the states.
H.R.25,S.25
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.Refer for additional information:
Great post.
I will support NO CANDIDATE who does not endorse this reform.
Period.
Photos of the long lines and the huge crowds at the booksignings:
http://boortz.com/more/signings/index.html
Amen. Same here.
I'm buying a copy today. Yea, Neal!
Why do they use the euphemism "Fair Tax" instead of calling it what it is -- a National Sales Tax? Wouldn't they be better off calling it what it is and letting the people decide if it is fair or not? Just asking. :)
You have him confused with Larry Klayman. Neal makes a pretty good penny on his own. However, he is probably just greedy and wants to keep more of it than give it to Uncle Sam.
Sounds like you haven't checked any of three sources:
The FairTax Book
The FairTax Bill
The FairTax website.
All three have good information about that. If you're not interested enough to check yourself you'll probably never know ... but maybe you could ask a neighbor.
You are right. What they don't tell you is if the we keep the present system the government intends to give back to us all that money we have already paid in taxes. (Just like God is going to give back my days of youth.) Point being, what is gone is gone. Why impede progress moaning over past mistreatment?
Add to Forbes 17% Flat Tax the 15% SS and Medicare tax withholding, which it keeps but the Fair Tax doesn't, and you get a lovely 32% without all the ancillary benefits of the Fair Tax.
Why do they use the euphemism "Fair Tax" instead of calling it what it is -- a National Sales Tax?
For another, it is not just a National Sales Tax (which is often used to describe VATs and opponents to confuse what kind of tax it is). It is a National Retail Sales Tax NRST).
Third it is referred to by both, NRST and FairTax by its supporters and the originators of the proposal.
Yet another is that it is an allusion to it being a tax on consumption rather than production under the philosophy remarked upon by 17th century English philosopher Thomas Hobbes, in Leviathan, in noting it is fairer to tax people on what they extract from the economy, as roughly measured by their consumption, than to tax them on what they produce for the economy, as roughly measured by their income. For people should pay taxes in accordance with "what they actually take out of the common pot, not what they leave in."
Yet another, the Congressional sponsors wanted that in the title of the bill.
Wouldn't they be better off calling it what it is and letting the people decide if it is fair or not? Just asking. :)
Who's "they"? Seems to me the American people pretty much decide for themselves what's what on looking into to its features no matter what it is labeled.
Why does that not surprise me? Fantasy seems to be your forte.
It is actually the anti Fair Tax people who think they generate money out of thin air by avoiding taxes they would otherwise have to pay. Using the tax system to avoid taxes is not making money, it is preventing losses. Many aren't aware of, or can't take advantage of, those rules so they suffer the losses. Why do you want that?
You have no interest in the Fair Tax, nor do lewislynn and others. Why do you doggedly show up on these threads? Anyone with half a brain can see the benefit yet you keep dragging out the same old discredited points. Are you guys that lonely?
Not only that, those guys doggedly show up and declare that we are deluding ourselves if we think HR 25 has a chance. Why doth they protest so much? Seems like to me if they are so sure it won't pass they are wasting a hell of a lot of time cutting, pasting and debating.
Oh I have plenty of interest. This idea will destroy my business and certain sectors of our economy such as the new housing industry. I must challenge your outrageous lies or some folks may get fooled into falling for them. I have been arguing against this stupid plan from day 1 and will continue to do so. Your plan is not all things to all people they way it is presented. It is built on a foundation of outright lies and phony analysis. I have yet to find one intellectually honest fair taxer who can explain how if most embedded taxes are pocketed by employees, how in the heck am I going to cut my costs by 20%. You can blow that question off and point me to some stupid website full of more propaganda, but no matter what you do the numbers don't come close to adding up. The whole thing is a fraud and you are either to stubborn or too stupid to realize it.
I got to meet Neal Boortz this past Sunday. Nice guy. The entire crowd was jazzed to get their books signed. Despite an hour wait, even those of us at the back of the line cracked jokes and thoroughly enjoyed the event. He started signing at 3pm and got through 500 fans (some with multiple books) and still had time to catch his 6:15 flight.
There maybe another book in the works - possibly about abortion...
Revenue neutral. Oh, and there's that little part about the taxes being voluntary. But let's not let philosophy get in the way of a good bash session.
I drove up to the Buckhead Barnes & Noble and didn't even turn into the shopping center. The line snaked from the B & N down to the Publix about 300 yards away. Fuggetabout it.
Marketing. Things sell better in a prettier package. And, the added bonus is that it actually is fair. When you have a good product, it's easy to sell.
Working is voluntary too. I suppose you could give up working just as easily as you could give up buying stuff. So by your reasoning, all taxes are voluntary. I imagine your landlord won't be of the opinion that you paying your rent plus the 30% fair tax is voluntary.
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