U.S. Blood Is Not Buying a Free Iraq

The New American (John Birch Society) ^ | August 22, 2005 | Thomas R. Eddlem

[DoctorMichael]

Our major problems in Iraq at the present time come from Iran and Syria. Even if we pull out they will continue their own hegemonistic agendas.

JMHO: We should give them both 48 hours to knock-it-off, after which Tehran and Damascus become glass parking lots.

[jern]

Yes anyone who doesn't drink the George W. Koolaid is a liberal.

[Al Gator]

Memory Caps on Please.

The JBS was the first group to methodically and technically dismantle the government lies about what happened at Waco and Oklahoma.

They were castigated, laughed at and impugned. They were called KOOKBURGERS of the highest order. Nutty "black helicopter" types.

Ten years later, there are rumblings that the JBS was probably dead on with their analysis of those situations.

They may be right here. Trouble with that is, it may take ten years to find out.

[Dane]

Figures that the birchers would take up with david duke and cindy sheehan.

[Zack Nguyen]

U.S. policy in Iraq has facilitated the hiring of terrorists as political leaders in Iraq, including some of the worst elements of Saddam's former ruling Ba'ath Party.

This may be somewhat misleading. I have read that Baath PArty members have come out of hiding of late to surrender and gain a place at the table. They are tired of an insurgency that is increasingly taken over by Al Qaeda. In other words, they want to become a part of the legitimate government, and have given up any hope of returning to power. This is a good sign, and we have to be practical. Al Qaeda is the enemy we must defeat there.

[Dane]

cindy sheehan meet the birchers.

[RebelBanker]

By the time this country was founded, transportation was advanced enough to require that American military go 'abroad' to defend our interests. I was in the Army not the Marines, but I still remember that the Marines' Hymn starts "From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli." The Navy and Marines took on the Barbary pirates in their nests in what is now Libya to protect American shipping.

[Just mythoughts]

Sir, I apparently am not making my point to those who think it is anti-Republic to fight the enemy on their own land.

The transportation word usage was to describe not what WE the US can travel, rather that those who seek to destroy US have access to, all sorts of transportation to plant themselves among US. We are not fighting a uniformed supposed civilized army.

Liberals call it the global village, and seek to make all as one, miserable.

[blackeagle]

bump

[ravingnutter]

Figures that the birchers would take up with david duke and cindy sheehan.<

WHAT?!?!?!? You didn't get "the memo"?

The neocon attack on CIA veterans, including the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS), began in earnest on the/Republican Freerepublic.com site, a bevy of white supremacists, JDLers, and John Birchers largely based in California's San Joaquin Valley and Orange County.

Source

ROTFLMAO!

[RebelBanker]

I am sorry if I was not clear - I was agreeing with you that we need to attack the enemy on his own land to properly defend ours.

My point was that this concept goes back to at least 1805!

[Just mythoughts]

You were very clear and I do agree with you. I have a very hard time comprehending the milk toast minds consumed with fear among us.

Reality is reality and we can no longer ignore those who will use any means available to harm US in the global attempt to destroy US.

[swarthyguy]

The Shining star of What the US has done in Iraq, is correct a wrong done by Wilson at Versailles after the Great War to the Kurds, the Palis being not the only ones dispossessed.

So, we have a relatively modern, functioning civil society in Kurdistan. All in all, pretty much a normal place.

In the South, Basrastan, a Sharia Shia state. In the center, the crucible of jihad.

So, one out of three ain't bad, considering the history of the Muddled East, and some of the loopier ventures inflicted upon it by various colonial powers, from the Ottomans, to the French, and the English.

[TomasUSMC]

So the principles of our Republic no longer apply in a changing world?

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Exactly.

This is a good article. How is it possible that after witnessing 9/11, we have our troops fighting to build AN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC with a constitution that states that NO LAW WILL CONTRADICT ISLAM?

MacArthur had it right when he IMPOSED a good constitution on Japan and sure 'nof it cured that insanity they had.

[TomasUSMC]

If this war is against Islamofascism, then what good does it do us to end up with an Islamic regime in Iraq, particularly an Islamic regime allied with the mother or all terrorist regimes, Iran.

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Ah, thats where you are misunderstanding the situation. You see - Islam is a Religion of Peace. Once you understand that then you can understand why we will end up with another Islamic regime in Iraq.

It is unbelieveable isn't it.

You know, there are 80 year old Japanese and Germans out there who are thankful that we imposed democratic constitutions of real freedom on them instead of letting them continue with Hitlerism and Tojoism.

[TomasUSMC]

Our major problems in Iraq at the present time come from Iran and Syria. Even if we pull out they will continue their own hegemonistic agendas.
JMHO: We should give them both 48 hours to knock-it-off, after which Tehran and Damascus become glass parking lots

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Yes!

Wait - innocents might be killed. We can't have wars with innocents killed. Remember repeat after me ....kinder gentler compassionate kinder gentler compassionate.

Oh wait but didn't a couple of innocents die on 9/11?

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[TomasUSMC]

Asked if his government would institute harsh Islamic Shari'a law, al-Jaafari replied: "Yes … that is only natural in a country that is populated mainly by Muslims."

During his visit to Iran, al-Jaafari signed several bilateral accords. One accord was a military alliance wherein Iran will provide arms to Iraq; Iran will provide border security between the two countries; and the two countries will share intelligence. "This is a new chapter in relations with Iraq," enthused Iranian Vice President Mohammad Reza Aref during al-Jaafari's visit. Agha Panayi, an Iranian intelligence official, has offered a similarly enthusiastic assessment: "Throughout Iraq, the people we supported are in power."


Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari made a pilgrimage to Iran, where he laid a wreath at a shrine to the late, unlamented Ayatollah Khomeini, the revolutionary theocrat responsible for the abduction and imprisonment of U.S. citizens for 444 days in the late 1970s. Ibrahim al-Jaafari, a Shiite Muslim who lived in Iranian exile during the 1980s, heads the radical Islamic Dawa Party, which is closely aligned to the Iranian regime.

Dawa is politically aligned with the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI), a radical group that enjoys a close relationship with Iran's revolutionary Mullahs

commented Ambassador Galbraith, "that the United States, which, among other reasons, invaded Iraq to help bring liberal democracy to the Middle East, will play a decisive role in establishing its second Shiite Islamic state."

The U.S. Bill of Rights offers unqualified guarantees regarding vital rights such as the right to freedom of speech, press, religion, and assembly. This is demonstrated in phrases such as "Congress shall make no law … abridging freedom of speech or of the press." But the Iraqi Constitution "grants" these rights in one phrase while taking them away with a subsequent clause in the constitution.
THAT CLAUSE STATES: NO LAW SHALL CONTRADICT ISLAM.

Iraqis have "freedom of religion" guaranteed in Article 20, but Article 22 states, "all thought based on … sectarianism [and] accusations of apostasy … are forbidden."

building Islamo-Fascism, rather than fighting it.

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History repeats itself.

The Persians around 400BC...used its enemies from the west,the Greeks as mercenaries to maintain and expand Persia

The Persians around 2005....uses its enemies from the west, The Americans, as troops to maintain and expand Persia

But at least the Greeks got paid. Its time to use this Iraqi constitutional deadlock to make changes in that document so that the our troops can be positive that they are fighting for REAL Iraqi Freedom - not Iraqi Islam.

[TomasUSMC]

We are not fighting a uniformed supposed civilized army

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I can think of two uniformed supposed civilized armies we should be fighting.

Syria and Iran

[Just mythoughts]

"I can think of two uniformed supposed civilized armies we should be fighting.

Syria and Iran"

We might have to "fight" the army of liberals in this nation to get to Syria and Iran, not to mention other nations of this earth.

[fallujah-nuker]

"The Persians around 400BC...used its enemies from the west,the Greeks as mercenaries to maintain and expand Persia

The Persians around 2005....uses its enemies from the west, The Americans, as troops to maintain and expand Persia."

I like a man who uses history and knows classical history. It is amazing how many situations of today you can compare to the Peloponnesian Wars. Thucydides should be required reading.

http://classics.mit.edu/Thucydides/pelopwar.html