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Grim Iraq reality dawns for Bush
Washington Post, via The Standard (Hong Kong) ^ | August 16, 2005 | Robin Wright and Ellen Knickmeyer

Posted on 08/16/2005 7:13:40 AM PDT by Brigadier

``We set out to establish a democracy, but we're slowly realizing we will have some form of Islamic republic,'' said another US official familiar with policymaking from the beginning.

(Excerpt) Read more at thestandard.com.hk ...


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Unintended consequences are a b***h. But at least no Neocons had to die...

Brigadier

1 posted on 08/16/2005 7:13:46 AM PDT by Brigadier
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To: Brigadier
Unintended consequences are a b***h.

Yeah, Libya's giving up its WMD programs was a real bitch.

But at least no Neocons had to die...

What is it with you paleos? You act like the oceans are still a moat that would keep us from ever being attacked. Read the al Qaeda attack plan that has been posted. Their goal is a new caliphate and a decades-long struggle against the West. I'll take a moderate Islamic republic over a radical Islamist regime any day of the week - because the Islamic republic would stand in contrast to the radicals - and the radicals are fighting it tooth and nail.

2 posted on 08/16/2005 7:22:25 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: Brigadier

Islam is antithetical to democracy. The idea that democracy would defeat not just terrorism but Islam was an unproven theory, however attractive it was in concept.


3 posted on 08/16/2005 7:22:39 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies

An Islamic Republic with the proper respect for human rights, can in time become more secular, or less Islamicist. The economic benefits of freedom and liberty engender and strengthen that freedom and liberty.

Once we're past the danger point of Iraq and Afghanistan succumbing to Sharia Law, the primary worry we'll have will be about them swinging in the opposite direct toward European style hedonism and socialism. Both extremes encourage and promote disenfranchisement and big government, though the socialist extreme is considerably more subtle than the theocracy.


4 posted on 08/16/2005 7:29:30 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Brigadier
Making Iraq safe for ... Sharia law

Please do not change titles.

5 posted on 08/16/2005 7:32:42 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: coconutt2000
An Islamic Republic with the proper respect for human rights, can in time become more secular, or less Islamicist.

Again, that sounds great. But it all depends on the creep of Islam. Islam is a cancer on any society it touches. If Europe is at risk of becoming part of the caliphate, how much more at risk is a country where nearly everyone is muslim.

6 posted on 08/16/2005 7:34:12 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Brigadier

I find the incompetence in Washington incredible.

The reason Bush Sr. did not march on to Bagdad is he had some thinking advisors.

The people of Iraq were better off with Saddam than they will be under this "new democracy".

He had a secular government, in the midst of an Islamic stronghold . He kept religious wars and tension at bay with an iron fist.

We will now have another budding Iran that we set up to govern instead. It has already become a breeding ground for terrorists ( which it was not before )

This is not brain surgery. Some of us without the credentials of the "advisors" saw this as a real possibility before we invaded.

I fear for the Christian minority there. They will have to convert or be slaughtered.

Bush needs to stop the swagger and deal with the issues as they are now


7 posted on 08/16/2005 7:38:41 AM PDT by RnMomof7 (Sola Scriptura,Sola Christus,Sola Gratia,Sola Fide,Soli Deo Gloria)
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To: Brigadier

Buchananites and fundamentalist islamicists - united in a love that dare not speak its name.


8 posted on 08/16/2005 7:40:13 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Brigadier

I don't trust information from unnamed sources anymore.

this is all BS.


9 posted on 08/16/2005 7:41:59 AM PDT by Texas_Conservative2
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To: Dark Skies

Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation [I could be wrong] is moving steadily towards democracy.


10 posted on 08/16/2005 7:43:04 AM PDT by cambridge ( I was sympathetic to her before I was against her.)
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Sorry, infrequent poster who wasn't aware of (or had forgotten) that rule. Just wanted to rub the noses of the Neocons in the mess they've made at the cost of thousands of lives.


11 posted on 08/16/2005 7:44:51 AM PDT by Brigadier (War is a racket)
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To: Dark Skies

Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation [I could be wrong] is moving steadily towards democracy.


12 posted on 08/16/2005 7:45:52 AM PDT by cambridge ( I was sympathetic to her before I was against her.)
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To: RnMomof7

"The people of Iraq were better off with Saddam than they will be under this "new democracy""

How were they better off?


13 posted on 08/16/2005 7:46:42 AM PDT by RedEyeJack
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To: Brigadier

Publishing State Department Press releases masquerading as news....rmfe.


14 posted on 08/16/2005 7:46:53 AM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you dont have to...." ;)
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To: Texas_Conservative2

Why does anyone get all hot and bothered about an unattributed quote that very well may be a product of this "reporter's" imagination?


15 posted on 08/16/2005 7:47:33 AM PDT by The Phantom FReeper (So? People in Hell want ice water.)
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To: RnMomof7

God bless you, dear woman.

Grace & Peace, Allen


16 posted on 08/16/2005 7:47:52 AM PDT by Brigadier (War is a racket)
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To: Brigadier
Sorry, infrequent poster who wasn't aware of (or had forgotten) that rule. Just wanted to rub the noses of the Neocons in the mess they've made at the cost of thousands of lives.

If you, Patsy, take your news from Robin Wright at the Wash. Post, maybe you should be in Texas carrying Mother Sheehan's water, or powdering her nose as she readies for her next interview.

17 posted on 08/16/2005 7:47:53 AM PDT by veronica ("America has been killing people on this continent since it was started." - Mother Sheehan)
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To: Brigadier

Hey Brigadier I have an idea of something you can rub your nose in!


18 posted on 08/16/2005 7:48:16 AM PDT by marlon
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To: RnMomof7
The people of Iraq were better off with Saddam than they will be under this "new democracy".

Perhaps but we weren't. Saddam was openly harboring terrorist leaders and supporting terrorists with money.

19 posted on 08/16/2005 7:49:41 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: dead

Actually ... I'm a Presbyterian (PCA)


20 posted on 08/16/2005 7:49:58 AM PDT by Brigadier (War is a racket)
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