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No ID equals no vote under proposed rules
The Arizona Daily Star ^ | 08/13/05 | Howard Fischer

Posted on 08/13/2005 7:44:51 AM PDT by RoyalsFan

PHOENIX - Arizonans who show up at the polls without some form of acceptable identification will be denied a ballot, perhaps as soon as local elections this November.

On Friday, Secretary of State Jan Brewer revealed her proposal for procedures election workers will have to follow to determine who gets to vote. Brewer said the plan complies with the requirement of Proposition 200, approved by voters in November, which mandates ID both to register and vote.

"Voters who produce no ID will not be provided a ballot and will be instructed to return with an appropriate identification," Brewer said.

Her plan spells out which forms of ID are acceptable.

It also details whether someone gets a regular ballot or a provisional one. The latter is equally valid - but only if separately determined later to come from someone entitled to vote.

Attorney General Terry Goddard said that is a more cumbersome procedure that will slow up the process and possibly discourage people from voting. And Goddard, who did not get a copy of Brewer's proposal until Friday, said he needs to review it before he gives his legally required approval.

But Brewer said her plan complies with a verbal agreement she reached with Goddard more than a month ago. And Rep. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, who helped craft Proposition 200, said if Goddard does not approve this plan, he and other supporters of the initiative will sue.

State law requires any change in voting procedure proposed by the secretary of state to be approved by not only Goddard, but also the governor. And Brewer is entitled to propose something on her own.

But Goddard, a Democrat, said Brewer, a Republican, seems more interested in confrontation than cooperation.

Brewer, however, said it is Goddard who is not cooperating with voters who approved Proposition 200. "It is not our job as elected officials to second guess the will of the people," she said.

One form of photo ID would be enough to get a ballot - provided it is on the official list.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; arizona; immigrantlist; prop200

1 posted on 08/13/2005 7:44:52 AM PDT by RoyalsFan
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To: RoyalsFan

Wait for the firestorm when Dem voting totals drop by 20% at the next election due the the eradication of fraud.

They will scream "intimidation"


2 posted on 08/13/2005 7:47:44 AM PDT by Wil H
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To: Wil H

Wait for the firestorm when Dem voting totals drop by 20% at the next election due the the eradication of fraud.
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Would not surprise me. Al Gore will be brought in to identify all the dangling chads that "DISENFRANCHISED THE ILLEGAL MEXICAN VOTER"!!!


3 posted on 08/13/2005 7:50:05 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: RoyalsFan
How can this be????!!!! The poor don't have ID's!!! They can't drive!!!!! And Pluuuueeezzzzeee don't start with "How do they cash their welfare checks?"- Don't be so insensitive!!!
4 posted on 08/13/2005 7:51:41 AM PDT by CAWats (I will bless those that bless thee and curse those that curse thee)
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To: RoyalsFan
Attorney General Terry Goddard said that is a more cumbersome procedure that will slow up the process and possibly discourage people from voting

How long does it take to whip out your license and have someone look at it? It takes me longer to cash a check than to show ID while voting. Geez

5 posted on 08/13/2005 7:52:04 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: RoyalsFan
You can't even buy beer without showing I.D. yet the Dems think that any form if I.D. for voting is too restrictive. What a joke they are.
6 posted on 08/13/2005 7:53:53 AM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: RoyalsFan

This should be the law of the land. Too simple for the folks in Washington, I guess - it makes sense.


7 posted on 08/13/2005 8:05:33 AM PDT by ImpotentRage
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To: RoyalsFan
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More proof that Terry and La Gubernadora are obstructionists. Blocking this proposal has one affect, and one affect only...it lets voter fraud continue.

8 posted on 08/13/2005 8:10:58 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ Operation Semper Fi ~)
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To: HiJinx

affect = effect.

Sheesh, Jinx.


9 posted on 08/13/2005 8:11:32 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ Operation Semper Fi ~)
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Ping...


10 posted on 08/13/2005 8:12:26 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ Operation Semper Fi ~)
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To: CAWats

The poor in California seem to have it. I've seen food stamp users whip out an ID and have no problem. Maybe it just the two grocery stores I use, but the cashier always check their ID, and I've seen them do it to repeat customers they know very well.


11 posted on 08/13/2005 8:14:16 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: RoyalsFan

Mexico requires a photo ID and a fingerprint, that tells me that our Dumbocrats are not even up to third world standards.


12 posted on 08/13/2005 8:14:22 AM PDT by junta (Is Mexico an ally in the WOT?)
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To: HiJinx

Looks like the first post, with more comments and info, is over here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1462614/posts


13 posted on 08/13/2005 8:16:23 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ Operation Semper Fi ~)
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To: SunTzuWu
You can't even buy beer without showing I.D. yet the Dems think that any form if I.D. for voting is too restrictive. What a joke they are.

Democrats are in panic mode....BIG TIME!!

No ID no vote?

Some blue states become red states next election.

14 posted on 08/13/2005 8:17:22 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: RoyalsFan

So, they'll obtain 3 or 4 sets of I.D. and vote their usual 3 or 4 times...


15 posted on 08/13/2005 8:28:13 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: junta
Mexico requires a photo ID and a fingerprint, that tells me that our Dumbocrats are not even up to third world standards.

When Democrats cater to the criminal element...they operate within their strongest base.

16 posted on 08/13/2005 8:28:26 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: Wil H

"They will scream "intimidation""

Oh yeah. Some of the Dem leaders are still moaning about the "stolen" presidential elections of 2000 and 2004 (stolen election=one they didn't win).


17 posted on 08/13/2005 8:31:35 AM PDT by clearlight
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To: RoyalsFan

Try cashing a check, getting on an airplane or even buying liquor at Sam's Club without a photo ID. Why should we require anything less to vote?


18 posted on 08/13/2005 8:32:09 AM PDT by The Great RJ (q)
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To: Wil H
Wait for the firestorm when Dem voting totals drop by 20% at the next election due the the eradication of fraud. They will scream "intimidation"

At that point we deport them along with the illegals.

19 posted on 08/13/2005 8:34:05 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

Trust me, they'll find some other way of committing voter fraud. It's not that easy to eliminate.


20 posted on 08/13/2005 8:36:22 AM PDT by dufekin (US Senate: the only place where the majority [D] comprises fewer than the minority [R])
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To: The Great RJ

Because there are some who will say "show your papers, citizen" as if there's no place for that sort of thing?


21 posted on 08/13/2005 8:36:34 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Global warming? Bring it on. Climate change? We could use the variety.)
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To: dufekin
they'll find some other way of committing voter fraud.

If it isn't when the ballots are cast, the fraud will occur when the votes are counted.

22 posted on 08/13/2005 8:47:57 AM PDT by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: peyton randolph

Thats going to piss off the dead people..but of course you can save the dead peoples ID's....heck there probably for sale on Ebay right now..buy your votes here


23 posted on 08/13/2005 8:57:04 AM PDT by Youngman442002
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To: peyton randolph
If it isn't when the ballots are cast, the fraud will occur when the votes are counted.

Democrats would prefer no voting.

They think people are too dumb to vote for them anyway.

They just want that one-party system that is prevalent in all the big cities.

It's never about citizenship for them.....it's all about greed and power.

24 posted on 08/13/2005 9:07:10 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: RoyalsFan
Not to worry, Jan Brewer, when Presidente Bush sprinkles the illegals with Holy water as he makes them highly esteemed guest workers with extraordinary rights and privileges, the only ID necessary will be the Matricula Consular. That should narrow your list down a bit.
25 posted on 08/13/2005 9:21:12 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: RoyalsFan

As usual, it's a Democrat who opposes any measures to curb voter fraud. Gee, I wonder why that is....

Keep talking and chewing gum, Democrats. Republican's won't have to bother campaining next election, just let Democrats whine and bitch and bury themselves in the process.
Notice Democrats have no counter proposals to offer.


26 posted on 08/13/2005 9:30:18 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: RoyalsFan

Provisional ballots are a prime source of fraud.

I hate to say this but maybe we do need a national voter registration registry so there is no cross border games.
Maybey something along the lines of the NCIC.


27 posted on 08/13/2005 9:36:06 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: HiJinx

BTTT


28 posted on 08/13/2005 9:40:58 AM PDT by in the Arena (CAPT (USAF) James Wayne Herrick, Jr. (Call Sign: FireFly33). MIA Laos 27 Oct 69)
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To: RoyalsFan
I think to vote you should have to provide a valid PHOTO ID that is issued by the state you are voting in.

I remember the long list of valid types of id allow here in Colorado from the last election. I just went to attempt to register my daughter in HS by my new apartment and took my utility bill as proof of residence, as that is one of the valid ID's allowed to vote. Could not use it to register my daughter at school. I say the minimum voting ID should at least be as stringent as what is needed to register at a public school.

29 posted on 08/13/2005 10:42:58 AM PDT by SledgeCS (Why are Liberals/Democrats ashamed to be American and support the USA???)
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To: RoyalsFan

In other news, the price of a fake ID just went up.


30 posted on 08/13/2005 11:28:57 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: Wil H
They will scream "intimidation"

They'll also scream that it disenfranchises the illegal voter.

-PJ

31 posted on 08/13/2005 11:30:36 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: RoyalsFan

I spell my name differently than my "legal birth name" on many documents.(same name. different spelling. I've been doing it so long.) My worry was having to change my signature to the legal spelling. I just spelled it the way I always do. No problem. It's funny. When I had no i.d. everyone was always asking for it. Now no one does.


32 posted on 08/13/2005 1:46:07 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: clearlight
Oh yeah. Some of the Dem leaders are still moaning about the "stolen" presidential elections of 2000 and 2004 (stolen election=one they didn't win).?

The dems are convinced the elections were stolen because they had them rigged yet the STILL didn't win -ergo the Pubbies must have stolen them.

Quite simple to understand really.

33 posted on 08/13/2005 4:11:27 PM PDT by Wil H
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