NEW POLL GIVES A PIRRO'S WELCOME (Hillary drops 14 percentage points)

NY POST ^ | August 11, 2005 | FREDRIC U. DICKER in Albany and STEPHANIE GASKELL in N.Y.

[Liz]

ALBANY — An overnight poll found big movement away from Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton just as Westchester District Attorney Jeanine Pirro officially jumped into the race yesterday.

The Marist College survey of 400 registered voters — the first to look at the Clinton-Pirro match since Pirro said she is running — showed Clinton's support dropping a dramatic 14 percentage points from the school's last survey in the spring. Her rating went from 64 percent to 50 percent.

But Republican Pirro's support — which had been at 28 percent — remained the same.

The big movement was to the "undecided" camp, where voters saying they don't know whom they'll support leaped from 8 percent to 22 percent.

"What we're seeing here is a movement from some soft Clinton supporters to the undecided category in response to Pirro's announcement," said Marist polling director Lee Miringoff.

"It means these voters are willing to take another look at the race, to at least give Pirro a look."

"The fact that Clinton is around 50 percent provides some opportunity for Pirro to make this a contest," he continued.

A Quinnipiac University poll released last week showed Clinton leading Pirro, 63-29 percent. The overnight Marist survey also revealed New York voters aren't likely to respond strongly to a central Pirro campaign theme: that Clinton should pledge to serve a full six-year-term and not run for president.

Only 39 percent of voters said Clinton should make such a pledge — while 44 percent said there was no reason for her to do so.

Asked about the poll, Pirro spokesman Michael McKeon said, "The more New Yorkers get to know Jeanine Pirro, the more they're going to like her."

[Mo1]

showed Clinton's support dropping a dramatic 14 percentage points from the school's last survey in the spring. Her rating went from 64 percent to 50 percent.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

And that's only in one day

[RWR8189]

Sounds like an outlier to me.

Unless Guiliani runs, Clinton will get 60% of the vote in 2006.

[Caipirabob]

Pray for Pirro's safety.

[nopardons]

Wrong! You don't understand N.Y. politics. This contest is so much better than having Rudy run against Hillary, again. She can't pull on another woman, what she did on Rudy and then Lazio.

[BigSkyFreeper]

Clinton will get 60% of the vote in 2006.

Wrong. Pirro is underestimated by the media and the Democrats, this poll only confirms it. The Democrats have to lie, cheat and steal in order to win elections anywhere in this country, and so far Hillary has lied about who she really is.

[RWR8189]

I'm just saying first glance makes this poll look like an outlier.

We'd have to see several more polls confirming this result to make anything of it. These "snap" polls are notoriously unreliable.

There's nothing more I'd like to see than to have Hillary taken out in 2006, but it is quite a rarity for a politician with 60%+ approval a year out from an election to be toppled.

[BigSkyFreeper]

Exactly. The fact that Pirro's numbers have not trended downward since her announcement, means she's got people behind her who have confidence in her. It's the undecideds that make or break a candidate, and they've abandoned the Hillary bandwagon in a matter of a day.

[GodBlessRonaldReagan]

She can't pull on another woman, what she did on Rudy and then Lazio.

Bingo! And as nice as it would be to win this election, if we can keep it close maybe it can damage Hitlery's presidential aspirations.

[nopardons]

Hillary isn't Bill and neither one of them are as good as Boss Tweed was.

Pirro is known in N.Y., she is a born and bred one and has been a damned good DA.

A lot of Hillary's 60% is hot air and smoke and mirrors.

[nopardons]

BINGO! You get it...well done. :-)

[BigSkyFreeper]

If Hillary got 60% unopposed, means the hardcore Democrats and the undecideds have gotten behind her, it has nothing to do with the fact she's "unstoppable" or not.

[nopardons]

Just watch, Pirro's good; heck, she's VEDRY good! Not a far righty Conservative, but then one of those would NEVER win in N.Y. and she's going to tear Hillary to shreds, in a way NO MAN can do, who tries to run against her.

Pirro was not only a for real lawyer, she was a terrific DA.

Hillary was a nothing lawyer and is really pretty lousy at being a candidate.

[BigSkyFreeper]

Right. Pirro is very intelligent, wildly popular in NY, and hardly gunshy. She'll say what's on her mind, even if she happens to offend a bunch of hardcore leftists.

[gakrak]

My problem is that if it came down to a vote, I would have to vote for Pirro. I don't like Pirro's views on a lot of issues including abortion rights, but I really, really don't like anything about Hillary the terrible. Amen.

[nopardons]

Correct and when she's on FNC, she does NOT fumpher and say, you know, like Hillary does. This is more of a real race than Hillary can handle.

[RWR8189]

As far as I'm concerned, Hillary getting any less than Kerry's 59% in 2004 would prove beyond any doubt that she is unelectable on a national level.

[gridlock]

I would say that any poll that shows Hillary! getting 64% support is seriously flawed. She has the strong support of about 45% of the people, which makes her very formidable. But anything over that is when Hillary! is against an unknown, which is a meaningless question.

I think now that Hillary! is going to be compared against another person, she is going to have a much harder time. People are going to look at Clinton, and look at Pirro, and decide which one of those two they want. That can't be helpful to Hillary!.

Barring some kind of a petulant, whining, stay-at-home movement by the I'm-Not-Happy-Unless-I'm-Losing Wing of the Republican Party, Clinton could well lose this race. Anybody who would sit this one out because the are holding out for a purer-than-pure Republican to run in New York State is just a putz.

[BigSkyFreeper]

In an honest race, a Democrat shouldn't be getting more than 43 percent by default. With as much fraud that went on in the Democrat party, it's no wonder a dullard like Kerry got as much as he did in 2004. Kerry's numbers were trumped up, and there's ample proof of that.

[Liz]

.....The Democrats have to lie, cheat and steal in order to win elections anywhere in this country....

You forgot the Dim's biggest election activity.....it will be a numbers game for Hillary----she'll be fellating every hyphenate from NYC to Albany to pump her numbers.

[leadhead]

There's nothing more I'd like to see than to have Hillary taken out in 2006, but it is quite a rarity for a politician with 60%+ approval a year out from an election to be toppled.

Ever hear of George H W Bush?

[BigSkyFreeper]

Ever hear of George H W Bush?

He wasn't running unopposed either. Clinton won only because Perot tipped the balance against Bush 41.

[beyond the sea]

An overnight poll found big movement away from Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton

I'd move away from her too.

[Mr Ramsbotham]

I'd sure like to see her beat Hillary, but I'm not looking forward to all the carping and bitching afterward from my own side about her RINO proclivities.

[Liz]

Ordinarily RINO-ism would creep into the debate.....but in this case, the Hate Hillary Factor is so high, I'd say the RINO-chargers will back off, to give Pirro a chance to demolish HRC.

[paudio]

I'm-Not-Happy-Unless-I'm-Losing Wing of the Republican Party...

LOL... But good point.

[gridlock]

Worrying about a RINO in a race against Hillary! is like being concerned about an expired parking meter next to a car bomb. RINOism is dangerous, but Hillary! is an emergency. I would vote for Teddy (The Swimmer) Kennedy if he was running against Hillary! for Senate.

[George W. Bush]

I'd sure like to see her beat Hillary, but I'm not looking forward to all the carping and bitching afterward from my own side about her RINO proclivities.

It won't be like the Arnold vs. McClintock thing. The only candidate you could call conservative here is Cox, the Nixon son-in-law. And it appears he has little support. The Nixon name alone is about enough to sink him.

McClintock had a real chance to win. That's why things got so heated about him and The Arnold.

[Mia T]

Shall we extrapolate to 11-06?

• New York, New York -- if hillary can't make it there, she can't make it anywhere
  
  
• HILLARY DUD -- NOT DUFF -- PORTENDS JEANINE WIN
  
   
• "Married to the Mob" and other stop-Jeanine sillygisms

[bilhosty]

Normally in a race like this when an incumbents is under 50% that is a sign of trouble. She is standing at 50% and that gives some hope. Unless the poll is wrong.

[EQAndyBuzz]

"Unless Guiliani runs, Clinton will get 60% of the vote in 2006."

No she won't. Pirro is going to take upstate on the theme that Hillary didn't bring in any jobs like she promised, even after the economy picked up after the Clinton Recession and 9/11.

Then pray for thunderstoms on election day.

[Andy from Chapel Hill]

I may have missed it elsewhere, but last night on Fox, our dear friend, Dick "Always Wrong" Morris said that Hillary will pull out of the Sanate race to conserve cash for a persidential run.

[Liz]

Hmmmmmm......maybe......however, anything DM says is suspect.

[libstripper]

Good point. That's the number for us to look for.

[libstripper]

Soooo true!!

[veronica]

Hillary's vote-getting power has been vastly overrated. It's been so annoying to watch. She could never win a national election, as much as the MSM tries to shove her down our throats.

[Katya]

Pirro can seriously hurt Hillary and the Clintons, even if she doesn't win. Particularly because she also has a problematic husband, who if they drag into the race opens the door for her to drag Bill's baggage along.

[jmaroneps37]

"Clinton's support dropping a dramatic 14 percentage points . Her rating went from 64 percent to 50 percent.

But Republican Pirro's support — which had been at 28 percent — remained the same."

This is very good news. It shows that the proper candidate, a real conservative can make a real race out of this. The failure to get any movement for Pirro and a 14 point drop for the beast shows that people ARE willing to vote for someone else, but Pirro's not that someone. John Spencer, a Viet Nam War vet and strongly pro life conservative is that person. The history of NY state voting shows that strong pro life conservatives have gotten at least 46% recently. 46% would not beat her but it would do way more damage than the 35% Pirro is likely to get when the dust settled.
Truman said "When people have a choice between voting for a real Republican and a fake Republican they will vote for the real Republican." Well the same is true of real Democrat vs fake Democrat. A Pirro candidacy = a reenforcement of the invincibility myth for the beast and a great start for her 2008 campaign.

[gridlock]

If Hillary! never runs for anything again, what happens to all the money? Can she convert it for personal use? Can she take the money and run?