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9/11 attackers on radar in '00? - (Clinton knew??..)
Philadelphia Inquirer / NYT ^ | Tue, Aug. 09, 2005 | Douglas Jehl

Posted on 08/09/2005 6:09:18 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA

WASHINGTON - More than a year before the Sept. 11 attacks, a small, highly classified military-intelligence unit identified Mohamed Atta and three other future hijackers as likely members of an al-Qaeda cell operating in the United States, according to Rep. Curt Weldon (R., Pa.) and a former defense intelligence official.

In the summer of 2000, the team, known as "Able Danger," prepared a chart that included visa photographs of the four men and recommended to the military's Special Operations Command that the information be shared with the FBI, Weldon and the former intelligence official said yesterday.

The recommendation was rejected, and the information was not shared, they said, apparently at least in part because Atta and the others were in the United States on valid entry visas.

Under American law, U.S. citizens and green-card holders may not be investigated in intelligence-collection operations by the military or intelligence agencies. That protection does not extend to visa holders, but Weldon and the former intelligence official said it may have reinforced a sense of discomfort common before Sept. 11 about sharing intelligence information with a law-enforcement agency.

A former spokesman for the Sept. 11 commission, Al Felzenberg, confirmed that members of its staff, including executive director Philip Zelikow, were told about the program during an overseas trip in October 2003 that included stops in Afghanistan and Pakistan. But Felzenberg said the briefers did not mention Atta's name. The report produced by the commission last year does not mention the episode.

Weldon first spoke publicly about the episode in June, in a little-noticed speech on the House floor and in an interview with the Times-Herald in Norristown. The matter resurfaced yesterday in a report by GSN: Government Security News, which is published every two weeks and covers issues related to homeland security. That report was based on accounts by Weldon and the former intelligence official that were made available to the New York Times yesterday in Weldon's office.

In a telephone interview from his home in Pennsylvania, Weldon said he was basing his assertions on similar ones made by at least three other former intelligence officers with direct knowledge of the project. He said some of the officers had first called the episode to his attention shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks.

First hint on Atta

The account is believed to be the first assertion that Atta, an Egyptian who became the lead hijacker in the plot, was identified by any American government agency as a potential threat before the Sept. 11 attacks. Among the 19 hijackers, only Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi had been identified as potential threats by the CIA before the summer of 2000, and information about them was not provided to the FBI until the spring of 2001.

Weldon has long been a champion of the kind of data-mining analysis that was the basis for the work done by the Able Danger team.

The former intelligence official spoke on the condition of anonymity, saying that he did not want to jeopardize political support and the possible financing for future data-mining operations by speaking publicly. He said the Able Danger unit had been established by the Special Operations Command in 1999, under a classified directive issued by Gen. Hugh Shelton, then the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, to assemble information about al-Qaeda networks around the world.

'Taking out' targets

"Ultimately, Able Danger was going to give decision-makers options for taking out al-Qaeda targets," the former defense intelligence official said. He said that he himself had delivered the chart in the summer of 2000 to the Special Operations Command headquarters, in Tampa, Fla., and said it had been based on information drawn from unclassified sources and government records, including those of the Immigration and Naturalization Service.

"We knew these were bad guys, and we wanted to do something about them," the former intelligence official said. The unit, which relied heavily on data-mining techniques, was modeled after those first established by Army intelligence at the Land Information Warfare Assessment Center, now known as the Information Dominance Center, at Fort Belvoir, Va., the official said.

Weldon is an outspoken figure who is a vice chairman of both the House Armed Services Committee and the House Homeland Security Committee. He said he had recognized the significance of the episode only recently, when he contacted members of the military intelligence team as part of research for his book, Countdown to Terror: The Top-Secret Information That Could Prevent the Next Terrorist Attack on America and How the CIA Has Ignored It. Weldon's book prompted one veteran CIA member to strongly dispute the reliability of one Iranian source cited in the book, saying the Iranian "was a waste of my time and resources."

Weldon said that he had discussed the Able Danger episode with Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R., Mich.), chairman of the House intelligence committee, and that at least two congressional committees were now looking into the episode.

In the interview yesterday, Weldon said he had been aware of the episode since shortly after the Sept. 11 attack, when members of the team first brought it to his attention. He said he had told Stephen J. Hadley, then the deputy national security adviser, about it in a conversation in September or October of 2001 and had been surprised when the Sept. 11 commission report made no mention of the operation.

Col. Samuel Taylor, a spokesman for the military's Special Operations Command, said no one at the command now had any knowledge of the Able Danger program, its mission or its findings. Taylor said if the program existed, it was probably a highly classified "special access program" or other highly compartmented program that only a small number of military personnel would have been briefed on.

During the interview in Weldon's office, the former defense intelligence official showed a floor-size chart depicting al-Qaeda networks around the world that he said was a larger, more detailed version of one prepared by the Able Danger team in the summer of 2000.

But he said the original chart, like the new one, had included the names and photos of Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi, as well as Mihdhar and Hazmi, all of whom were identified as members of an American-based "Brooklyn" cell, one of five around the world.

The official said the link to Brooklyn was meant as a term of art rather than literally, saying the unit had no firm evidence linking the men to Brooklyn but that a computer analysis seeking to establish patterns in links between the four men had found that "the software put them all together in Brooklyn."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911; 911hijackers; abledanger; clintonlegacy; x42
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To: LibFreeUSA
Under American law, U.S. citizens and green-card holders may not be investigated in intelligence-collection operations by the military or intelligence agencies. That protection does not extend to visa holders, but Weldon and the former intelligence official said it may have reinforced a sense of discomfort common before Sept. 11 about sharing intelligence information with a law-enforcement agency.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, I think this law was pushed through by Jamie Gorlick the Assistant of Janet Reno. Jamie Gorlick was handpicked by Hillary Clinton and was the real power in the office of Attorney General, Janet Reno was just an incompetent boozer.

41 posted on 08/09/2005 6:50:34 AM PDT by cpdiii (Oil Field Trash, Rough Neck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast (Oil Field Trash was FUN))
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To: LibFreeUSA
IMHO Clinton Knew and Knew the dates they would hit NY.He was in Australia so he would be safe to hell with the rest of us.
42 posted on 08/09/2005 6:53:27 AM PDT by solo gringo (Liberal democrats And Flori-duh judges are parasites)
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To: markedman
According to Weldon's account of his conversation with Lehman there was "a lot of information" that the staff did not pass on.

Way to go Mr. Lehman, pass the buck."Staff did it."

43 posted on 08/09/2005 6:54:04 AM PDT by BARLF
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To: Moose4

Sanity bump.


44 posted on 08/09/2005 6:54:14 AM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Peach

"If you hear the radio report with the Able Danger guys, will you post a thread here?"

Absolutely.

Weldon has been the voice crying in the desert for a l-o-n-g time, but it wasn't until he came out with a book on "what he knew, when he knew it, and who he told about it" that the CIA/FBI et al stopped ignoring his threats to bring all of this information to light .

Here's the link to his book.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0895260050/qid=1123595971/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-4116032-7187349?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

I'm going to send a note to Mike Smerconish, the local radio host in Philly on the Big Talker and ask him to post the clips of the radio exchange with the Able Danger guys when he has them on.


45 posted on 08/09/2005 7:02:40 AM PDT by markedman (Islam means surrender, and we shall _NEVER_ surrender)
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To: markedman

Thank you, markedman.


46 posted on 08/09/2005 7:04:02 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Dallas59
Of course he "knew". Clintoon was too worried about stains on dresses and soggy cigars.

Wrong. Clinton knew, but he wasn't stopped by "stains on a dress". That was later.

Clinton's "terrorist units" were going after white middle-aged American men who used words like "constitution" and had high priest who killed policemen. ( Of course there's never been one documented case of one policemen being killed so someone could become a high priest, but it stirred up police forces at the time).

Clinton used the power of the government to go after the "vast right wing conspiracy" instead of UBL or Atta or any of the other real threats to our nation. There was a meeting in South Florida a few months before Hillary spilled the beans...

47 posted on 08/09/2005 7:08:29 AM PDT by GOPJ (A person who will lie for you, will lie against you.)
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To: BARLF

"Way to go Mr. Lehman, pass the buck."Staff did it.""

You've got the _wrong_ take on Lehman. Weldon phoned Lehman, Tom Kane and Lee Hamilton. Apparently all felt that they were not getting _all_ of the information that was coming into the commission. In Weldon's recent conversation with Hamilton and Lehman regarding this latest story, apparently both a pretty pissed over the ommission. It still does not change the conclusion of their report though:

Al Qaeda was at war with us for sometime but we as a nation did not treat is as such, and ignored them at our own peril.


48 posted on 08/09/2005 7:09:35 AM PDT by markedman (Islam means surrender, and we shall _NEVER_ surrender)
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To: Dallas59

They knew, the FBI knew....the Phoenix memos proved that long ago.

I keep saying that the same folks who allowed 9-11 brought you Waco.


49 posted on 08/09/2005 7:11:05 AM PDT by Loud Mime (War is Mankind's way of ridding the world of the tyranny caused by liberalism)
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To: Loud Mime

"They knew, the FBI knew....the Phoenix memos proved that long ago."

Yeah, but this is the first smoking gun that the US Military and some CIA operatives wanted persmission to ambush 4 of the 9/11 Hijackers and were rebuffed, becuase of the memo that Gorelick published preventing the CIA and FBI from sharing information, and for political reasons related to Waco.

I'm just happy to know that Jack Bauer really is alive and well with his finger on the trigger somewhere.


50 posted on 08/09/2005 7:18:42 AM PDT by markedman (Islam means surrender, and we shall _NEVER_ surrender)
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To: Nita Nupress; Mia T

In case you haven't seen this...


51 posted on 08/09/2005 7:24:21 AM PDT by Darnright ( Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before)
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To: Loud Mime

Check out an old FR thread called "Batting a Thousand" and you'll find some interesting info as to who knew what, when and where about the WTC-1 bombing that "only" killed a handful of people.


52 posted on 08/09/2005 7:24:47 AM PDT by american spirit
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To: LibFreeUSA
Headline news right?

I was in Europe when Hillary held up the NY Post on the Senate floor with the headline "BUSH KNEW". That photo was VERY BIG in Europe, front pages everywhere.

53 posted on 08/09/2005 7:25:01 AM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Minuteman at heart, couch potato in reality))
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To: LibFreeUSA

Paging Kristen Breitweiser....


54 posted on 08/09/2005 7:26:27 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: putupjob
Makes you wonder exactly what was stuffed down the pants of Sandy Berger.

Which makes me wonder why the Bush Administration and the DOJ hasn't really lowered the boom on Sandy (the) Burgerler....

55 posted on 08/09/2005 7:30:37 AM PDT by Thermalseeker
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To: Loud Mime
I keep saying that the same folks who allowed 9-11 brought you Waco.

And Ruby Ridge, and TWA-800 and OKC Bombing and on and on and on......

56 posted on 08/09/2005 7:34:01 AM PDT by Thermalseeker
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To: Dallas59

Bubba The Great Stainmaker :)

He didn't know. He was busy with his pants down at the Oral Office with her Jewish Princess.


57 posted on 08/09/2005 7:41:11 AM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: markedman
If members of the 911 commission were aware of this problem and did nothing to correct it are they not at fault?

When the final report was written did they not all sign it?

Why did no one on the commission object to Gorelick being on this commission?

As far as I am concerned it was all a farce,a waste of tax payer money.Oh, but we mustn't place blame on Clinton adm. Gorelick, Berger,Albright.............

Why are Republicans such a spineless bunch of nice guys? Attorney John Ashcroft was the only one appearing before that commission with guts. I think it cost him his job,but I could be wrong. I've certainly been wrong before in my thinking.

58 posted on 08/09/2005 7:42:13 AM PDT by BARLF
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To: LibFreeUSA

Wonder what ever happened to the subponea for the thousands of eMails that the Clinton White House failed to provide to Starr??


59 posted on 08/09/2005 7:44:19 AM PDT by sandydipper (Less government is best government!)
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To: Mister Baredog
-"I was in Europe when Hillary held up the NY Post on the Senate floor with the headline "BUSH KNEW". That photo was VERY BIG in Europe, front pages everywhere."

That was excatly my same thought as soon as I inserted my title...("Clinton knew?")

60 posted on 08/09/2005 7:47:26 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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