Tough Times For the Terminator

Washington Post ^ | 7-31-05 | David Broder

[calcowgirl]

The referendum to ban driver's licenses for illegals FAILED

Not true. Signatures weren't due in until mid-December, after it was rescinded. Signatures were well on their way which would have resulted in a stay to the law going into effect.

Can you give any other reasons why Schwarzenegger is better than Davis as you contend? I'm still looking for some reasons that outweigh the list I provided you.

[DoughtyOne]

Please tell us when Proposition 187 was implemented. I'm tired of reading day dream posts about supposed referendums and their implementation. You have heard of the Ninth Circuit Court right?

Davis signed the bill given illegla immigrants the right to California drivers licenses and Schwarzegger asked the Legislature to rescend it and they did. Which is better in your eyes? Oh nevermind, I know this would be a real hard one for ya.

[NormsRevenge]

On July 11 Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger scored his biggest victory of the year, signing a budget in which the Democratic-controlled legislature gave him almost everything he wanted in his effort to cure this debt-plagued state government.

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If signing another budget that for the second year running provides almost a 10% increase in general funds spending is his biggest victory of the year, I dread to ponder his biggest failure.

Broder, lay off the crack , Dude!

[NormsRevenge]

McClintock wouldn't have beaten Bustamecha.

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What state do you hail from? just curious.

[calcowgirl]

I'm not sure why you intellectually dishonest people infest these threads

You want to bitch slap Schwarzenegger because he's as bad as Davis, but then want to give a pass to someone else on the very same issue.

Perhaps you can show me where I was "intellectually dishonest" or where I gave "a pass" to anyone else. Declining to discuss another topic on this thread is hardly a "pass."

Your first attempts to change the subject failed. Now you choose to personally insult me. Quite unbecoming behavior, IMO. The dishonesty on this thread comes from consistently posting falsehoods about the current state of the state in an attempt to prop up the governor. This "strategy" will be the demise of the CAGOP that will take the heat for all of these actions leaving us with even more leftist leaders in the future. This is not a "step in the right direction" or positive progress in any way.

[NormsRevenge]

What I can say about Arnold is he took the wheel and steered us away from the rocks Davis had us heading for.

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Yeah.. in hisinaugural role as the Captain of the SS Kalleforniyaa, he took the wheel and steered us away from the rocks and into the ice fields. :)

[calcowgirl]

I think you're a liberal Democrat ...

LOL. Same strategy, huh? When you can't address the question, attack the poster. How quaint.

[NormsRevenge]

DO,, I was not going to get into it with you and I won't/

Make up your damn mind as to who's party you want to be part of..

A moderate party that seeks to throw the conservatives to the wolves or the New Majority? That would be or is the New CA GOP if the GUb and his major supporters have their way.

Trust me, they have no one but their won best interests at heart.

The last 2 state budgets are evidence of that.

[NormsRevenge]

their own best

[DoughtyOne]

This "strategy" will be the demise of the CAGOP...

Excuse me, but what California GOP? You pop up her to sing the praises of leftists like Davis that would have been ever so much better than Schwarzenegger (by implication), then act as if there were any GOP in this state. Are you the shining example of state GOP that we're supposed to emulate?

The leadership recruits people like Schwarzenegger, then you guys dump on him until the cows come home.

The rank and file won't support Schwarzenegger and the leadership won't give us anyone better. Put a fork in the party, it's done in California.

BTW, the subject is deficit spending. I didn't change the subject, I simply asked you to judge the very same issue on another person, and you folded like a cheap lawn-chair.

[NormsRevenge]

Isn;t everyone in California liberal democrats these days, that's what cedirc offered earlier, the state is so liberal, everyone else should just surrender their own views to them and roll over.

Like a true Islam, eh?

[section9]

Don't get me wrong: Tom McClintock was the best man for the job.

But he can't win in California. Not even in that ten man scrum you had in 2003. If Arnold hadn't have run, BustaMECHA would have won.

That's the kind of electorate you have out there. A guy who could actually save the state, McClintock, can't get elected dogcatcher because he appeals to Ventura County, Orange County, San Diego, and the Inland Empire. Unfortunately, Blue California won't touch him. They will touch Arnold, however. That's why Arnold wins, and will win reelection. Even Blue California recognizes that Arnold is trying to save the state.

If McClintock and Arnold could actually find a way to work together in the Legislature, much could get done.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[calcowgirl]

Your convoluted inference to the 9th Circuit makes no sense.

Today, by law, illegals have no right to drivers licenses. If the 9th Circuit was going to give them that right, why haven't they? I assume since you refer to a FEDERAL court that you are implying there is some right outlined in the US Constitution that illegals would say has been impeded upon.

[NormsRevenge]

btw, I fail to see any relevance to dragging Bush into this thread and discussion.

Maybe the fact he made minimal efforts supporting aRnie was enough proof of how he feels about being compared to a true moderate's moderate. lol

[Cedric]

California {Orange County}

[DoughtyOne]

I am quite angry at the California GOP leadership. I am not happy with their tar baby either. I am trying to be realistic about what we're confronted with.

I'm sure you and I agree when it comes to the leadership.

Fankly, I consider them to be the leftists and moderates. I would like to see someone like McClintock get in, but that isn't going to happen.

We can either support Schwarzenegger until we can do better, or we'll simply destroy any good that he can do. Should people criticize him when it comes to these budgets. Hell yes. Should they start expounding on the virtues of Davis and company during that process? Yikes. I would certainly hope not.

You'll never hear a kind word from my lips about Al Gore or John Kerry, even though there are some issues concerning Bush that I utterly detest. Most would agree with that, but when it comes to state politics, it's suddenly okay to say that Davis would have been better.

I just don't agree with that at all.

[NormsRevenge]

OC,eh? Ouch. New Majority Central.

That's my old stomping ground, Santa Clara Co today and for the last 23 years.

[Cedric]

No, Norm, not EVERYONE in CA is libearl and I never stated that. If gonna reference my points, do so accurately.

Many, many people in CA are conservative {me, for example}. Apparently, however, there just aren't enough to win statewide elections. Scoreboard, baby!

[NormsRevenge]

The leadership recruits people like Schwarzenegger, then you guys dump on him until the cows come home.

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Blame the leadership for the Sierra Nevada conservancy, more damn dem and green appointemnts to state positions that ya can shake a stick at, and let the Gub slide, He's just their puppet anyway, huh?

So when did the Kenndeys register as Republicans in California?

I bet RFK Jr broke out in hives that day. ;-)

[calcowgirl]

The rank and file won't support Schwarzenegger and the leadership won't give us anyone better. Put a fork in the party, it's done in California.

As long as the rank and file DOES support this BS from the leadership, the longer it will continue.

Shucks, D1. Tell me. What are we supposed to do? Support any trojan horse that gets put up in a primary with lots of money? Who's next? Bobby Shriver (R)? Andrew Cuomo (R)? Hey, why doesn't the big tent republican party just recruit Gavin Newsom (R)? Yeah, that's the ticket. Then people can come on these forums and trash people like me for questioning the candidate and their actions.

I think you are attacking the wrong person here.

BTW, the subject is deficit spending by CALIFORNIA STATE GOVERNMENT, not Bush or anyone else.