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Tough Times For the Terminator
Washington Post ^ | 7-31-05 | David Broder

Posted on 07/31/2005 6:57:20 AM PDT by Jefferson2000

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To: Cedric

You know Cedric, when democrats run, the sitting President drops by to help them out. The national DNC gets involved and helps. The state level DNC gets involved to help. Finances are forthcoming to help the candidate.

I don't recall if Simon got a vist from Bush or not. It seems to me he did get one. He got no financial help from the state or national.

I believe he came within five points of winning, without adequate funding. I don't think it's quite as easy to blame this on 'poor campaiging' as limited resorces.


21 posted on 07/31/2005 8:00:53 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Cedric, I also wanted to note that California is not as liberal as most folks think. If a guy like Simon can come that close with limited resources, it says a lot about the true make-up of the state.

When your sitting dem governor has advertising across the media platform, and you can't afford to run your own, it's a sinch the governor is going to benefit quite a bit.

It's hard to get the message out and frame the debate with no funding.


22 posted on 07/31/2005 8:03:51 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: DoughtyOne
A well qualified conservative state Senator that was about 10% in the polls.

If McClintok was backed by his own party, not sabotaged because he was "too conservative for them" he would have won!

The mantra that "A vote for McClintok will put Bustamonte in" was started by the RNC so they could justify their support for the RINO Rnold !

Those hoping for another movie star government official bought it as the RNC knew they would!

23 posted on 07/31/2005 8:05:07 AM PDT by SweetCaroline (Thank You GOD for watching over me.)
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To: DoughtyOne
A well qualified conservative state Senator that was about 10% in the polls.

This swill has been debunked endlessly by FReeper Carry_Okie.

24 posted on 07/31/2005 8:06:49 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Yes Carrie_Okie has made a fool of himself claiming that McClintock could have won even though he was at 10% in the polls. For the record, McClintock did pull in 14%. I noted 10% 'in the polls'.

Who did Carry_Okie vote for? He voted against the recall in favor of keeping a sitting governor that had taken us from a balanced budget to a $37 billion dollar deficit, and to the verge of fiscal collapse.

Even he didn't vote for McClintock. LOL


25 posted on 07/31/2005 8:11:32 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

Follow the money.


26 posted on 07/31/2005 8:13:14 AM PDT by stboz
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To: Jefferson2000
Arnold Schwarzenegger scored his biggest victory of the year, signing a budget in which the Democratic-controlled legislature gave him almost everything he wanted in his effort to cure this debt-plagued state government...

...with a 9% spending increase.

Mr. Broder, you've really jumped the shark with this one.

27 posted on 07/31/2005 8:16:23 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: SweetCaroline
Those hoping for another movie star government official bought it as the RNC knew they would!

I always wonder where you folks come up with this line. Does this imply that you would want another movie start government official? It certainly has no bearing on my thinking when I go into the booth, so I'm thinking this must be a deep seated problem in your own psyche.

I don't know anyone who voted for Schwarzenegger because he was an actor/public personality.

Now I wouldn't doubt that some on the left did vote for Arnold for this reason, due to crossover votes. Hey, if that kept Davis and Bustamante out, great.

As for the idea that voting for a 10/14 percenter is a good idea when you've got the likes of Bustamante running, I'll have to leave that up to your own concience. Mine said, no way in hell will I allow Bustamante to get elected, if I can help it.

28 posted on 07/31/2005 8:19:16 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Even he didn't vote for McClintock. LOL

I voted for McClintock and against the recall.

Yes Carrie_Okie has made a fool of himself claiming that McClintock could have won even though he was at 10% in the polls.

That is not what I have said. I have said that he would have beaten Bustamante one-on-one. I have said that his popularity exceeds Schwarzenegger's and that he is capable of winning in a heavily Democratic district. As for who makes a fool of himself, anyone with a brain can easily recognize make that determination.

29 posted on 07/31/2005 8:22:04 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

Sanity has never been in California. Probably the Hollywood types infect the populace. I was born and have lived here since before WWII.


30 posted on 07/31/2005 8:22:20 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Jefferson2000
On July 11 Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger scored his biggest victory of the year, signing a budget in which the Democratic-controlled legislature gave him almost everything he wanted in his effort to cure this debt-plagued state government .

This quote is one of three things:

1) A joke or sarcastic comment only recognized by political "insiders".
2) Offered by a journalist who knows little about California politics
3) A Republican sycophant pushing the party line.

Whatever the motive, inclusion of the quote taints the rest of the article. Liberal journalists are smart enough to hide the "big lie" in the 3rd or 4th paragraph to maintain some reader interest and journalistic integrity.

31 posted on 07/31/2005 8:22:28 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Carry_Okie

Oh, so your saying you don't have one. Well, okay.


32 posted on 07/31/2005 8:28:19 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Your profligate disposition of your reputation is only exceeded by the desperation of your invective.
33 posted on 07/31/2005 8:32:31 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: Carry_Okie

You are one dilusional fella. You sold your soul to McClintock and it's gone down hill since then. Today you even tout the idea that Davis would have been preferential to Schwarzenegger.

Yes, it would have been great if McClintock could have been elected. It wasn't going to happen and most adults understood that and reluctantly accepted it.

You mention that the most recent budget is going up 9%. I personally think that is terrible. Is there going to deficit spending to finance it? It not, shut up already.

If there is, then you should make that known and we should give Sacramento hell over it. I'm all for giving Sacramento hell over the 9% increase as it is, but coming on this forum to vilify Schwarzenegger every time he is mentioned is wrong.

We will need to support him at times. Killing any public appeal he has is self-defeatist. It aids the democrats when they oppose innitiatives and other items he supports, that we can and do support.

You've really got to get over this. It's eating you up.


34 posted on 07/31/2005 8:41:28 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Jefferson2000

The problem with California is the majority of Californians. Period.

They are a lot like Western Europeans. Californians know something needs to be done to reign in out of control spending and insanely high tax rates - but they are simply not willing to make the tough choices to do anything about it. It's a live for today and screw the future attitude.

You see the same thing in Western Europe quite frequently. The leftists/socialists wreck a national economy which results in the public getting upset enough to elect a conservative government. Then the moment the new right of center government tries to cut spending and enact free market reforms the people howl and scream, the conservative government caves, nothing gets done, and the leftist/socialist regain power.

For California to really improve, their needs to be a sea change in attitude amongst the majority of Californians. That has not happened, nor is it likely to anytime soon.


35 posted on 07/31/2005 8:43:42 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: TheOtherOne

All I know is our unemployment rate is very low, which means there are jobs for all the illegals PLUS all the Americans who want work!


36 posted on 07/31/2005 8:50:44 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: DoughtyOne
You neglect to mention that the voters wanted reform when they recalled Davis.

Davis didn't get us in this mess (it was the legislature). But he paid the price for it.

Had McClintock been elected, he couldn't accomplish anything w/ a stonewalling legislature.

I'm still waiting to see if Arnie can extricate us.

37 posted on 07/31/2005 8:58:33 AM PDT by AlBondigas
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To: DoughtyOne

1. Simon had virtually unlimited personal financial resources.
2. He did, inded, run a lousy campaign. He got squishy on the social issues. He launched that last minute "bribery" charge which backfired big time.
3. CA is truly a liberal state {"Scoreboard, baby!"} There are currently NO statewide elected Republicans except for our RINO Governator. The Dems own the Assembly and the Senate.
4. The really encouraging thing about the election of Schwarzenneger is that rank and file Republicans put elecablity above conservative "purity" and realized that sometimes the guiding principle has to be whom you're voting AGAINST!


38 posted on 07/31/2005 9:06:39 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: DoughtyOne
Maybe you've been away too long and haven't been following the details, but the deficit has not been reduced under Arnold from that outlined by Gray Davis--from a spending perspective, it has increased. He only took out a big whopping $15 Billion dollar loan (bonds) to support the socialist spending, notwithstanding the Republican opposition to Gray Davis' attempts to take out a $8 billion loan (Davis had been stopped in his tracks).

Yes.... Arnold is continuing to spend more revenues than the state takes in. He did last year, and he did again in this budget. Yet one is supposed to accept this dishonest article that getting an almost on time budget that gave him almost everything he asked for is a good thing? I don't think so! The budget Schwarzenegger proposed was outrageous, and the one he signed is equally as bad.

Perhaps if you looked more closely and realized these FACTS, you would realize why people are criticizing Schwarzenegger.

By the way, his "spending control" measure will defer yet MORE expense into future years, proposing to repay it over 15 years.... and to issue even more bonds.

Until Republicans start screaming about Arnold, the fiscal irresponsibility will continue. Who do you think will oppose him? The democrats? They are laughing all the way to the free clinic as the great ENABLE-NATOR does their dirty work for them.

39 posted on 07/31/2005 9:07:55 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Sanity has never been in California. Probably the Hollywood types infect the populace. I was born and have lived here since before WWII.

My wife's sister and her daughters live out there too.

And I'm sorry to say that one of my neices is a Berkeley graduate and a recent UCLA Law school graduate who passed the bar last year.

40 posted on 07/31/2005 9:09:36 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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