Tough Times For the Terminator

Washington Post ^ | 7-31-05 | David Broder

[68 grunt]

So if someone disagrees with Arnold's policies, he/she becomes a "Arnie-hater" and thus a "liberals friend" Wow, there's a leap in logic.

Not at all. Only those whose word's reflect foaming at the mouth. Its a fact, those from our side who denigrate the governor's work are carrying liberal water.

[68 grunt]

Questions have question marks at the end of a sentence. I'm not even going to bother with your bogus ten accomplishment essay. Please feel free to continue to shill for the demoncraps who share your hatred of the guv.

[subterfuge]

"Sadly some ignorant duffuses on this forum would love nothing more than to front for the Washington Post and it socialsist/democrat allies in their efforts to do so. "

[Carry_Okie]

I'm not even going to bother with your bogus ten accomplishment essay.

That's because you won't be able to defend it successfully. Hence, a governor who advances policies diametrically opposite his own Party deserves intense criticism.

Thank you for your tacit agreement.

[68 grunt]

That is how liars work. Give thanks for tacit agreement where none exists. Typical. Your bogus essay requested conservative accomplishments. I'll agree that Arnie has very few of those, however, he has many accomplishments and the demonratz hate him as much as you. One thing about the right-wing fringe, those fronting for the NY and LA Slimes and the WP, carrying liberal water, doing the progressive's heavy lifting for them; they have no understanding of any 'big picture'.

[Carry_Okie]

I'll agree that Arnie has very few of those, however, he has many accomplishments and the demonratz hate him as much as you.

The Democrats would hate a Republican no matter what. Thus, it makes NO SENSE to operate in a bipartisan manner as Arnold has attempted in total futility. In fact, to "reach out" in bipartisanship to Democrats, as Arnold has done, is to weaken Republicans. Thus, to defend Arnold is to support the very Democrat policies that Arnold has implemented.

That means you.

[68 grunt]

... The Democrats would hate a Republican no matter what.

You believe that or is it just another lie? If he was as supportive of demoncrap policies as you say they would love him. Those who continue to shill against him are helping the demoncraps and advancing progressive goals.

That means you!

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On July 11 Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger scored his biggest victory of the year, signing a budget in which the Democratic-controlled legislature gave him almost everything he wanted in his effort to cure this debt-plagued state government.

This is what the Post characterizes as stumbling. Are the lights off in their building?

[Carry_Okie]

The Democrats would hate a Republican no matter what.

You believe that or is it just another lie?

You may disagree, but that doesn't make what I've posted dishonest. What is dishonest is to state that those who oppose Arnold's policies are all wackjobs and haters when you can't tell us which of his policies you support.

If he was as supportive of demoncrap policies as you say they would love him.

Nonsense. George Bush gave Ted Kennedy No Child Left Behind and did that get him anything? No. The praise lasted a couple of days and they went right back to claiming Republicans are destroying education. Arnold got praise from Democrats too when he implemented the Sierra Nevada Conservancy and they turned right around and bit when he didn't appoint their favorite leftist to the Board of Forestry, even though she was a registered Democrat!

They'll simply want more and keep criticizing while they laugh up their sleeves. So, to support a Republican foolish enough to implement such policies is to help Democrats.

[68 grunt]

... but that doesn't make what I've posted dishonest.

It isn't my disagreement that makes your posts deceitful, its the lies you continue to use as you shill for the demonratz. I've never said that all who oppose Arnie are haters, quite the contrary, I've said that only of the rabid, 'foam at the mouth' types. There are only a handful of you. You who are not happy unless you are neutralizing republican goals through rightwing protestations. You know, doing the progressives 'hard lifting'.

[forester]

Its a fact, those from our side who denigrate the governor's work are carrying liberal water.

It seams to me that the guv himself is carrying liberal water by his own actions. To brand those who point this out as "liberals friends" is just another case of shoot the messenger IMHO.

To put it another way, what is to prevent the guv from becoming more left leaning if the so-called "right wing wackos" of the base were to quit lobbying the guv to impliment conservative principles?

[68 grunt]

... if the so-called "right wing wackos"

You certainly don't think he pays any attention to that 1%, do you? I think he feels that if they are alienated more of the population will feel comfortable with him. In my opinion, the whackjob's constant whining has no impact upon the guv. Heck, he probably likes it. Distance himself from the whackjobs and capture more of the middleground.

[forester]

In my opinion, the whackjob's constant whining has no impact upon the guv.

Over the last twenty years I have seen the left wing wack jobs in the environmental movement pull the democratic party further to the left. So based on my experience, a vocal minority does influence policy to some degree. If for no other reason, it focuses public attention to an issue.

So, coming from that point of view, I think it is good that freepers like calcowgirl and carry okie spend the time to research issues and post their findings. I don't believe such conduct hurts the republican party. Based on my experience in rural areas, CAGOP efforts to move to the center are seen as selling out in order to win over urban moderate voters. Continuing or advocating policies that economically harm the conservative base will, IMHO, erode the party's base more then it will expand it.

[68 grunt]

... Continuing or advocating policies that economically harm the conservative base will, IMHO, erode the party's base more then it will expand it.

I don't necessary disagree with that statement, but it makes false assumptions at its base. What you may be calling 'policies that economically harm the conservative base' pragmatists may be saying 'doing what can be done'. You may think those folks you mentioned are innocent of purposeful disruption, but my humble opinion is they are rabid in their attempt to discredit, debunk or otherwise denigrate anything which may be considered a goal. My humble opinion has it at even money whether they are 1 %'ers or planted disruptors. Either way, their attempt to neutralize is relentless. Either way, they do liberals heavy lifting.

[forester]

I don't necessary disagree with that statement, but it makes false assumptions at its base.

My assumption is based on my observation of the red/blue election map...specifically, the red/blue map that breaks the country down by county. The red counties are overwelmingly rural, (with exceptions like Orange County)and the blue counties are overwelmingly urban centers (L.A, Portland, Seattle, Albuquerque, Austin etc) I admit, it is just my theory based on observation, and I could be wrong as you suggest.

As to the other freepers, I assure you that they are not paid disrupters. I agree that they are relentless in their defense of conservative values, but that does not make them liberal allies IMHO.

Thanks for taking the time to articulate your point of view.

[68 grunt]

None of the disruptors are paid. They all do it for their personal yeehaw.

Y'know, when I need to vent, there're plenty of demoncraps and their actions to rant about. I really don't wanna waste my rage on 'my own'. Applying Reagan's Commandment I'm hesitate to express my own disappointment with 'my own' in a public venue and there is a lot of valid criticism going on anyway. I don't feel a need to pile onto one of 'my own'. The only real recourse for my disappointment is in my vote. Rants are often counterproductive, most especially when directed against 'our own'.

[forester]

Rants are often counterproductive, most especially when directed against 'our own'.

I agree

[Carry_Okie]

It isn't my disagreement that makes your posts deceitful, its the lies you continue to use as you shill for the demonratz.

Pathetic. Let's examine one of your posts for veracity:

You certainly don't think he pays any attention to that 1%, do you?

Let's compare the most recent primary election between a RINO and a conservative:

He (Simon) swept 51 of California's 58 counties, losing five in the Central Valley to Jones and two in Southern California (Los Angeles and Imperial) to Riordan. Simon trounced the more socially moderate Riordan by a margin of roughly 3-to-1 among the large cadre of California conservatives, close to 60% of the GOP primary electorate according to an exit poll by the Los Angeles Times. But Simon also swept all age groups, all income groups, and all education levels in the March 5 Republican primary.

Source

There are a LOT more than 1% of the California electorate that is conservative and I promise you, Arnold's drop in job approval is primarily due to their disaffection with what they regard as Arnold's broken promises. He promised to "cut, cut, cut," to "live with in our means" to control spending, and had done the exact opposite.

Note, when I supply numbers, I do it with sources. You make them up. It is you I should be calling a liar.