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Loving Big Brother (London Police Shooting)
The New American ^ | 07.26.05 | William Norman Grigg

Posted on 07/26/2005 10:36:38 PM PDT by Coleus

Loving Big Brother
by William Norman Grigg
July 26, 2005
 

The killing of Jean Charles de Meneze by London police, who wrongly suspected Meneze of being a suicide bomber, demonstrated the folly of giving police a license to kill on the basis of suspicion. Yet some neoconservatives "love" this and other Big Brother policies.

The July 22 shooting death of Brazilian electrician Jean Charles de Menezes at the hands of plainclothes London police left Fox News commentator John Gibson swooning with admiration.

"I love the way the Brits have 10 million cameras sticking up the nose of every citizen no matter where they are, except in the loo [bathroom]," exulted the host of the Fox program "The Big Story." "What is also good is the Brit police tactics that we saw at work in the subway Friday morning. The tackle and kill team is incredible, if for no other reason than their bravery. Can you imagine the job of those cops? Tackle the guy wearing a vest bomb and hope your colleague is right behind with the gun to put five bullets in the noggin before he sets off the bomb."

The problem is, the Brazilian national didn’t have a bomb, wasn’t connected in any way to the terrorists responsible for recent attacks in London, was in the country legally, and hadn’t been involved in any illegal activities of any kind. Much of this was known at the time Gibson wrote his mash note to the British cops just hours after the event. Still, he continued, one has to admire "the cojones of those Brit cops to go after him like that…. Five in the noggin is fine. Don’t complain that sounds barbaric. We’re fighting barbaric."

Gibson, like many other neo-"conservative" media figures, is a nebbishy pencil-neck whose pipe-cleaner arms would snap like dry twigs if he were forced to perform a push-up. It’s tempting to say Gibson’s essay, riddled with unconvincing tough-guy slang, represents what Dr. Thomas Fleming calls "vicarious masculinity." More serious than Gibson’s man-crush on British counter-terrorism cops is his unbuttoned embrace of totalitarian police state tactics – a type of behavior becoming very common among Bush’s conservative followers.

The lethal tactics extolled by Gibson ("five in the noggin" first, ask questions later) were taught to British counter-terrorism police by Israel’s National Police (INP), and the Israeli Security Service, Shin Bet. Notes Canadian international affairs analyst Michel Chossudovsky: "The shoot to kill policy was undertaken under the auspices of `Operation Kratos,’ named after the mythical Spartan hero. It was carried out by the London Metropolitan's elite SO19 firearms unit often referred to as the Blue Berets…. The training of the S019 marksmen was patterned on that of Israel." According to The July 23 Scottish Daily Record, S019 had been briefed "by officers who had been to Israel to meet their counterparts there and pick up tips gleaned from the experience of dealing with Hamas bombers."

Chossudovsky also points out that "Israel has also collaborated in the training of members of the FBI and the LAPD." A report in the July 15 Houston Chronicle documents that "the combat-garbed men patrolling light rail stations and bus transit centers" in Texas, individuals who "look like soldiers, but their uniforms say POLICE" have also received specialized training by Israeli counter-terrorism specialists.

In Houston, officers of the Special Operations Response Team (SORT) consists of "16 Metro police officers and two sergeants [who have] trained with `experts from Israel’ as well as from the FBI, Transportation Security Administration and several U.S. transit agencies," reported the Chronicle. The team "was formed shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks … but had not been deployed in public until the July 7 terrorist bombings of trains and a bus in London."

It’s reasonable to suspect that SORT-style teams are being prepared in other major cities across the U.S., presumably trained in the same "five in the noggin" rules of engagement that made Gibson’s heart beat ever so faster. And it’s both interesting and unsettling to wonder what other surprises of this sort will be unveiled next time a terrorist attack occurs in London, New York, or elsewhere.

Incidentally, while Israeli counter-terrorist specialists have been training local police in Great Britain and the U.S. back in the 1990s, Washington was lavishing similar attention on the "security" forces of Yasser Arafat’s regime. As The New American reported in 1997, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms disclosed that fact during a counter-terrorism seminar in Chicago.

Complicating things even further is the fact that Hamas – the terrorist group whose murderous depredations justified the "shoot-to-kill" tactics employed by the Israelis, and taught to British and (most likely) U.S. police – was essentially a creation of Israeli intelligence. "Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years," reported United Press International in 2002. "Israel `aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO [Palestinian Liberation Organization],’ said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies."

It’s an old story, one captured in Frederic Bastiat’s despairing observation that governments increase their powers by creating the poison and the antidote in the same laboratory. The same governments supposedly protecting us from terrorism have long cultivated many of the same terrorists and terror organizations that now threaten us, leaving the public insecure and increasingly willing to surrender personal liberty in pursuit of safety.

And abetting this cynical power grab are purported journalists like John Gibson, who rather than confronting the corrupt exercise of power lecture the public about their duty to love Big Brother.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: banglist; bobbies; constitutionalrights; deathcultivation; donutwatch; england; execution; freedom; jbs; keystonecops; leosgonewild; liberty; london; londonattacked; patriotact; rights; subway; subwaysystem; terrorism; thenewamerican; tna; tonyblair; williamnormangrigg; yahoos
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To: agitator

"John Gibson is a friggin idiot". I seriously doubt that.


21 posted on 07/27/2005 3:01:29 AM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Drammach

"Newspaper and magazine articles as well as other press reports recount numerous bombers in Israel that are identified, and "talked" down.. Not shot.."

And newpaper and magazine articles also have reports of numerous bombers in Israel that were not 'talked down'. Any of those 'newpaper and magazine articles' tell the tale of 'talking down' a suicide bomber after jumping turnstiles and running on board a train?

If it were as easy as you postulate, why all we have to do is erect lots of loudspeakes playing soothing music and tapes of Israeli police 'talking down' suicide bombers. Wonder why the Israeli police haven't thought of that?


22 posted on 07/27/2005 4:01:00 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Stupidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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To: PzGr43

"Everyone was safer when all they had was a whistle."

And there were no suicide bombers on the tube.


23 posted on 07/27/2005 4:02:08 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Stupidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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To: Drammach

"The point of the article was that government(s) tend to be the "cause" of the problems in the first place..
Those same governments then "solve" the problem by eroding individual liberties..
The author was correct in the premise of his article.."

If the author was correct, then it should be easy to describe how 'government caused' the problem of suicide bombers.


24 posted on 07/27/2005 4:04:23 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Stupidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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To: Coleus

Self-defense is a libertarian value.

Or should be.


25 posted on 07/27/2005 4:05:47 AM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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To: Jaysun
I think they were justified in shooting the guy.

Really? Execution style? Especially after he was already thrown to the ground?

WOW!

26 posted on 07/27/2005 4:05:49 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: driftless
I seriously doubt that.

After what I just read in his article, I don't.

27 posted on 07/27/2005 4:08:34 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Coleus
The killing of Jean Charles de Meneze by London police, who wrongly suspected Meneze of being a suicide bomber, demonstrated the folly of giving police a license to kill on the basis of suspicion. Yet some neoconservatives "love" this and other Big Brother policies.

Meneze was possibly only guilty of being a jackass at the wrong place and the wrong time. ("Wouldn't it be cool if I could panic some Brits by pretending to be another suicide bomber"?) But terrorism has a way of making knee jerks look downright sensible.

28 posted on 07/27/2005 4:12:01 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: RadioAstronomer

And BTW, just for the record, I don't like the hit bits on the Israelis or the police in the article. (I still cannot justify in my mind the execution style killing)

It's the John Gibson piece that startled me the most.


29 posted on 07/27/2005 4:13:31 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: PzGr43
A friend of mine said he spotted two DPGs outside the Isreali embassy talking to each other and the one holding the MP5 was in full-blown Rule 2 violation with the MP5 slung across his front and pointing right into the guts of the other cop.
Wow, now that's scary. Don't you just hate it when they violate Rule 2.
30 posted on 07/27/2005 4:17:42 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Coleus

I wonder what part of "S T O P " he didn't understand?

Very simple....obey lawful orders and you won't get wacked.

Take off and run in a heavy overcoat when the temperature is in the 80's and EVERYONE is looking for that EXACT description, ignore orders to stop...Jumped a turnstile,etc...you are terminated............

Great Job MI 5 !!!!


31 posted on 07/27/2005 4:25:46 AM PDT by halfright (3 Days post Hanoi Jane....2200 Meeting of the band of brothers to piss on her grave...Semper Fi...)
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To: oh8eleven
>A friend of mine said he spotted two DPGs outside the >Israeli embassy talking to each other and the one holding >the MP5 was in full-blown Rule 2 violation with the MP5 >slung across his front and pointing right into the guts of >the other cop.

I wish he had taken a foto, then we could have done a spectacular "What's wrong with this picture ?"

It wasn't a casual careless muzzle-sweep. They had been stood there for about ten minutes, passing the time of day with each other.
32 posted on 07/27/2005 5:41:20 AM PDT by PzGr43
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To: PzGr43

You missed my point.
I guess I should have included sarcasm tags.


33 posted on 07/27/2005 7:38:31 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: ladyinred
Protect the citizens? they blew the head off of a Brazilian citizen sending his money back home to his family.

where where these yahoo, keystone cops, when the real terrorists were there on two different occasions, and why wasn't the Brazilian citizen arrested with his "suspicious coat" when he left the so-called house under surveillance.

and where are the pictures of the incident, surveillance cameras cover the entire subway system.
34 posted on 07/27/2005 9:53:12 AM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: kublia khan
um, why wasn't this so-called terrorist, wearing his "suspicious coat", LOL, arrested when leaving this house which was supposedly under surveillance. Keystone cops at their best. They tried to be heroes and blew the brains out of an innocent man.
35 posted on 07/27/2005 9:58:02 AM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: PzGr43
Everyone was safer when all they had was a whistle. >>

You can say that again. And why wasn't this so-called terrorist, wearing his suspicious coat, arrested when he left the "house" under surveillance? It just doesn't add up.
36 posted on 07/27/2005 9:59:51 AM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Clock King
these "neo-con" idiots are the type of fools who would sacrifice freedom for the illusion of security. Exactly like their Dim-rat counterparts. >>


"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

Benjamin Franklin


all in the name of terrorism, right? Hey, lets add more pages to the Patriot Act, it's not large enough, I think the government, military and police need more power and take away more rights.
37 posted on 07/27/2005 10:04:12 AM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: halfright
um, the problem is that the "police" stated that the house in which he exited was under surveillance and they saw this "terrorist" leave with his "suspicious coat" from said house.

Seems if they wanted to stop a terrorist they would have arrested him on a city street instead of the inside of the worlds busiest subway system. Not too smart, eh?

Yea, one deserves to have his brains blown out because he wore a "suspicious coat", LOL. Did it ever occur to you that while in the busiest subway system in the world that maybe he couldn't "hear" them say stop. I've been in the NYC subway and you can't hear a thing, the noise is deafening.

Where were these storm troopers when the real terrorists were in the subways? Cleaning out their weapons?

38 posted on 07/27/2005 10:09:33 AM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: hedgetrimmer


39 posted on 07/27/2005 10:16:16 AM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Jaysun

Yes, even though the tie in was not that close.


40 posted on 07/27/2005 12:34:18 PM PDT by carumba
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