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Ebonics suggested for district
San Bernardino County Sun ^ | 17 July 2005 | Irma Lemus

Posted on 07/18/2005 10:25:14 AM PDT by 45Auto

Incorporating Ebonics into a new school policy that targets black students, the lowest-achieving group in the San Bernardino City Unified School District, may provide students a more well-rounded curriculum, said a local sociologist.

The goal of the district's policy is to improve black students' academic performance by keeping them interested in school. Compared with other racial groups in the district, black students go to college the least and have the most dropouts and suspensions.

Blacks make up the second largest racial group in the district, trailing Latinos.

A pilot of the policy, known as the Students Accumulating New Knowledge Optimizing Future Accomplishment Initiative, has been implemented at two city schools.

Mary Texeira, a sociology professor at Cal State San Bernardino, commended the San Bernardino Board of Education for approving the policy in June.

Texeira suggested that including Ebonics in the program would be beneficial for students. Ebonics, a dialect of American English that is spoken by many blacks throughout the country, was recognized as a separate language in 1996 by the Oakland school board.

"Ebonics is a different language, it's not slang as many believe,' Texeira said. "For many of these students Ebonics is their language, and it should be considered a foreign language. These students should be taught like other students who speak a foreign language.'

Texeira said research has shown that students learn better when they fully comprehend the language they are being taught in.

"There are African Americans who do not agree with me. They say that (black students) are lazy and that they need to learn to talk,' Texeira said.

Len Cooper, who is coordinating the pilot program at the two city schools, said San Bernardino district officials do not plan to incorporate Ebonics into the program.

"Because Ebonics can have a negative stigma, we're not focusing on that,' Cooper said. "We are affirming and recognizing Ebonics through supplemental reading books (for students).'

Beginning in the 2005-06 school year, teachers will receive training on black culture and customs. District curriculum will now include information on the historical, cultural and social impact of blacks in society. Although the program is aimed at black students, other students can choose to participate.

The pilot program at Rio Vista Elementary and King Middle schools focuses on second-, fourth- and seventh-grade classes. District officials hope to train teachers from other schools using the program as a model.

Board member Danny Tillman, who pushed for the policy, said that full implementation of the program at all schools may take years, but the pilot program is a beginning.

"At every step we will see positive results,' Tillman said.

Tillman hoped the new policy would increase the number of black students going to college and participating in advanced courses.

Teresa Parra, board vice president, said she worried the new program would have an adverse effect.

"I'm afraid that now that we have this the Hispanic community, our largest population, will say, 'We want something for us.' Next we'll have the Asian community and the Jewish community (asking for their own programs). When will it end?'

Parra said the district should focus on helping all students who are at risk.

"I've always thought that we should provide students support based on their needs and not on their race,' Parra said.

Tillman disagreed with Parra, saying programs that help Latinos already exist in the district. He cited the district's English- as-a-second-language program.

Texeira urged people not be quick to judge the new program as socially exclusive. She said people need to be open to the program.

"Everybody has prejudices, but we must all learn to control that behavior,' Texeira said. She said a child's self confidence is tied to his or her cultural identity.

She compared the low performance of black students to starvation. "How can you be angry when you feed a family of starving children?'

Ratibu Jacocks, a member of the Westside Action Group, a coalition of black activists, said they are working with the district to ensure the policy is implemented appropriately.

"This isn't a feel-good policy. This is the real thing,' Jacocks said.

Jacocks said he didn't believe the new policy would create animosity. He said he welcomed the idea of other ethnic groups pushing for their own programs.

"When you are doing what's right, others will follow,' Jacocks said. "We have led the way before the civil-rights movement opened the door for women's rights and other movements.'


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Morons leading morons. This is worse than the bilingual nonsense that has plagued California schools for 30 years. Try getting a job when your first language is street slang.
1 posted on 07/18/2005 10:25:14 AM PDT by 45Auto
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To: 45Auto

Deporting the illegals would work too.


3 posted on 07/18/2005 10:26:36 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: 45Auto

Say it ain't be, damn.


5 posted on 07/18/2005 10:27:31 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (The alternative media is our Enigma machine.)
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To: 45Auto; summer

God help them all ... the real agenda is dumbing down the curriculum until test scores improve and the pressure comes off the teachers. Their SANKOFAI program is really SACKOS***


6 posted on 07/18/2005 10:27:46 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Iraq is the bug light for terrorists" (Mike McConnell 7/2/05))
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To: 45Auto

LOL - yeah, this is just what underachieving students need. That will get them on the fast track in the corporate world! Well, maybe they can all just be rappers!


7 posted on 07/18/2005 10:27:50 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: 45Auto
Just trying to teach the students so they can do the jobs even illegal immigrants won't do.
8 posted on 07/18/2005 10:28:01 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Bork should have had Kennedy's USSC seat and Kelo v. New London would have gone the other way.)
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To: mozrock
Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.  =)
10 posted on 07/18/2005 10:28:10 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: 45Auto
BOO GOT SHOT! BOO GOT SHOT!
11 posted on 07/18/2005 10:28:16 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: William Creel
What's the problem?

When they "graduate", they can just get well-paying jobs on basketball teams, rap groups and international businesses epecializing in African trade.

12 posted on 07/18/2005 10:28:34 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: 45Auto

Conjugate the verb "to be".

I be We be
You be Y'all be
He/she be They be


13 posted on 07/18/2005 10:28:36 AM PDT by JeeperFreeper
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To: 45Auto
Sheesh. Another member joins up with the Stupid Old Ideas That Failed Miserably club.
14 posted on 07/18/2005 10:29:03 AM PDT by TChris ("You tweachewous miscweant!" -- Elmer Fudd)
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To: 45Auto
Chris Dodd has a plan in Connecticut for these underprivileged kids.
15 posted on 07/18/2005 10:29:10 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough (Coincidences happen.)
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To: 45Auto
"Blacks make up the second largest racial group in the district, trailing Latinos."

Teaching Spanish would be more successful than Ebonics.

16 posted on 07/18/2005 10:29:18 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: William Creel
It's not a valid language, it's a working-class vernacular.

Corrected It's not a valid language, it's a Non-working-class vernacular.

17 posted on 07/18/2005 10:29:46 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This ain't your granddaddy's America!)
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To: softwarecreator
LMAO....I was holding back! =)

This is just absolutely ridiculous! And to recognize ebonics as "another language" and "not just slang" is completely insane! WOW!!

18 posted on 07/18/2005 10:30:14 AM PDT by mozrock (Is progressive American a euphemism for communist?)
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To: 45Auto

The language of success is English. Subjecting these children to an Ebonic curriculum will drag them down further--a form of child abuse.


19 posted on 07/18/2005 10:30:48 AM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Washington State--Land of Court-approved Voting Fraud.)
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To: 45Auto

All high schools recoil in terror at the prospect of wholesale drop-out rates because they lose funding status and are now thwarting the NCLB if they don't devise some way short of seat belts in the classrooms to keep these jackasses in their chairs.


20 posted on 07/18/2005 10:30:53 AM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: 45Auto

The Constitution provides for ADMITTING states into the Union...........Does it provide for EXPELLING them also?............


21 posted on 07/18/2005 10:30:58 AM PDT by Red Badger (HURRICANES: God's way of telling you it's time to clean out the freezer...............)
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To: mozrock
They tried this many years ago and it failed ... of course it's a more PC world now.

Disgraceful.

22 posted on 07/18/2005 10:31:33 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: martin_fierro

Who be boo?


23 posted on 07/18/2005 10:31:46 AM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: 45Auto
Ratibu Jacocks...

Just when I think I've heard it all.....

24 posted on 07/18/2005 10:31:53 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: 45Auto

Actually, this will help legalize discrimination in the workplace.

In a professional organization, for example a computer software company, it is legal to require that employees be able to read/write/speak/understand English in order to communicate with other employees.

By defining Ebonics as a foreign language (i.e. not English), I can now refuse to hire people who speak slang in the interview.


25 posted on 07/18/2005 10:31:58 AM PDT by atomicweeder
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To: JeeperFreeper
They be

Sorry, have to take a letter off that conjugation and give you a B. You gave the third person plural pronoun incorrectly. The correct pronoun is "Dey".

26 posted on 07/18/2005 10:32:06 AM PDT by johnb838 (Dominus Vobiscum)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Do you think Mexico could speed up their overwhelming exodus into California? I would like to give it back to them as soon as possible..........


27 posted on 07/18/2005 10:32:43 AM PDT by Red Badger (HURRICANES: God's way of telling you it's time to clean out the freezer...............)
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To: 45Auto

Egads! Ebonics and PC--both are blight on our culture.


28 posted on 07/18/2005 10:32:48 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: 45Auto
This is so sad and depressing--and it is a PERFECT example of how liberals and liberalism have failed African-Americans for decades.

(White) liberals are always content to salve their own guilty consciences, regardless of the consequences for those they presume to represent. As long as a social program or educational reform "feels good," it is done. Consequences are for conservatives. So you end up with this really tragic situation in California. The kids who go through this kind of system have no chance--none--at success in the real world. They are doomed to a life of poverty, dependence, and lowered expectations.

All of which suits the liberals just fine, since those are the very characteristics that lead people to vote Democrat.

As I said: sad, sad, sad.

29 posted on 07/18/2005 10:33:02 AM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: William Creel

Stupid is as stupid does.


30 posted on 07/18/2005 10:33:23 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: 45Auto

KaliPornia again. Typical!


31 posted on 07/18/2005 10:33:44 AM PDT by zzen01 (so there!)
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To: 45Auto
Students Accumulating New Knowledge Optimizing Future Accomplishment Initiative

SANKOFAI?? Geez, they could have at least come up with a real acronym.

32 posted on 07/18/2005 10:33:55 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Red Badger
You know the left has a wish list and so do we ... they want to leave and we wish they would.

How about letting all libbies/leftists move to one state & let them secede, thereby answering everyone's wishes.

33 posted on 07/18/2005 10:34:05 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: 45Auto
One of the best scenes from "Airplane" was the one with Barbara Billingsley...
Attendant: Can I get you something?
Jiveman #2: S'mo fo butter layin' to the bone. Jackin' me up. Tightly.
Attendant: I'm sorry I don't understand.
Jiveman #1: Cutty say he cant hang.
Woman : Oh stewardess, I speak jive.
Attendant: Ohhhh, good.
Woman : He said that he's in great pain and he wants to know if you can help him.
Attendant: Would you tell him to just relax and I'll be back as soon as I can with some medicine.
Woman : Jus' hang loose blooood. She goonna catch up on the`rebound a de medcide.
Jiveman #2: What it is big mamma, my mamma didn't raise no dummy, I dug her rap.
Woman : Cut me som' slac' jak! Chump don wan no help, chump don git no help. Jive ass dude don got no brains anyhow.

34 posted on 07/18/2005 10:34:07 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Many Democrats are not weak Americans. But nearly all weak Americans are Democrats.)
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To: johnb838

Oops. You're right.


35 posted on 07/18/2005 10:35:32 AM PDT by JeeperFreeper
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To: cicero's_son

You got to wonder if they will offer courses in ebonics at Cal State San Bernardino ... maybe Mary Texeira could teach that along with Sociology.


36 posted on 07/18/2005 10:35:49 AM PDT by mozrock (Is progressive American a euphemism for communist?)
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To: 45Auto

more dumbing down...

and people wonder why Blacks on the whole are not prospering as well as others while new immigrants like the Asians are passing up everyone except maybe the Jewish!


37 posted on 07/18/2005 10:36:00 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: 45Auto

Gizoogle: No longer just a joke- a study guide.

http://www.gizoogle.com/

"IT WAS tha biznest of times, it was tha worst of times, it was tha age of wisdom, it was tha age of foolishness, it was tha epoch of belief, it was tha epoch of incredizzles it was tha season of Light, it was tha season of Darkness, it was tha spr'n of hope, it was tha winta of despair, we had everyth'n before us, we had nuttin' before us, we wizzy all going direct ta Heaven, we wizzle all going direct tha motherf*cka way- in short, tha period was so far like tha present period, T-H-to-tha-izzat some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, fo` good or fo` evil, in tha superlative degree of comparizzles only wit da big Bo$$ Dogg."


38 posted on 07/18/2005 10:36:02 AM PDT by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: 45Auto

Setting aside for the moment whether or not "Ebonics" is a foreign language, or even a legitimate dialect of English, does anyone think that it contains enough vocabulary to adequately instruct someone in math, science, or the standard grammar of English?

I think not. Language has long been known to limit the educational capacity of people. It is probably the most powerful of the forces that shape a person's mental capabilities as they grow up. Primitive tribespeople, who grow up speaking a language that lacks a comprehensive number system, often cannot be taught such a number system later in life, as they simply do not have the mental tools to understand things like "zero" or any level of precision beyond "more than two". The world of Orwell's "1984" was controlled primarily through the limitations of the "NewSpeak" language, which took away from the populace the mental tools, acquired through language, to even be able to comprehend rebellion against their tyrannical government.

By incorporating "Ebonics" as the primary language of instruction, these "educators" are condemning these kids to a life in which they will lack the tools to promote themselves within the culture once they become adults.


39 posted on 07/18/2005 10:36:09 AM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: 45Auto

Just another example of liberals trying to keep blacks as poor and uneducated as possible. Those who 'graduate' will be unable to function in society, and will be left to do the things that those outside of society do. Most will end up dead or in jail at a very early age, which is fine for liberals, because then they can push a guilt trip on whites and funnel more money into programs that encourage working and learning less. A good and proper education for everyone in this country benefits us all.


40 posted on 07/18/2005 10:36:31 AM PDT by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: softwarecreator
How about letting all libbies/leftists move to one state & let them secede, thereby answering everyone's wishes.

There is a place called CUBA...........

41 posted on 07/18/2005 10:36:40 AM PDT by Red Badger (HURRICANES: God's way of telling you it's time to clean out the freezer...............)
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To: 45Auto

Favorite lines from Airplane!

"Excuse me, I speak Jive."

"Damn fool don't got no brains anyhow!"


42 posted on 07/18/2005 10:36:47 AM PDT by junaid
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To: EdHallick

Boss: So, tell me about your education Mr. Ebonics Student.

Ebonics Grad: i got ma edumacation r8t hur n iuno anbody dat is as smart as i be.

Boss: Hmm, I believe you'll fit right in with our molecular research team. Welcome aboard, dog.


43 posted on 07/18/2005 10:36:50 AM PDT by Dysart
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To: 45Auto
"Ebonics is a different language, it's not slang as many believe,' Texeira said. "For many of these students Ebonics is their language, and it should be considered a foreign language. These students should be taught like other students who speak a foreign language.'

How about "liberalonics"? What you do is say the opposite of common sense. Terrorists attack the US over and over and over and over..and then say "The US is destroying us!"

44 posted on 07/18/2005 10:36:56 AM PDT by EdHallick (In Spain they have the running of the bulls, in France they have the running of the away.)
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To: COBOL2Java
love that seen ... especially when they put the subtitles on the screen.  The guy says "SH*T!" and the subtitle shows "GOLLY!".
45 posted on 07/18/2005 10:36:59 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: 45Auto
Texeira said research has shown that students learn better when they fully comprehend the language they are being taught in.

Of course, one solution to this problem would be to make sure that every student in every American school was fluent in English. Just a suggestion.

46 posted on 07/18/2005 10:37:07 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: cicero's_son

It handicaps these kids horribly, I agree.

If someone indeed WANTED to make sure these kids were uneducated, unemployable, locked out of our society and resentful, it would be hard to come up with a better plan.


47 posted on 07/18/2005 10:37:11 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: mad puppy

bump for later


48 posted on 07/18/2005 10:37:32 AM PDT by SirChas
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To: martin_fierro

LOL! Oh, that's good.


49 posted on 07/18/2005 10:37:57 AM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: atomicweeder

Your post reminded me of something. You hear a lot of talk about making English the official language of the U.S. Well, we all know that's not going to happen. But I have a question. How long do you think it's going to be before it is a requirement to speak Spanish?

I have another question. I'm in orientation today, and they said in a video on hazardous chemicals that not only should an employer have information on the chemicals we use, I have a RIGHT to the information, I HAVE to be given it. So if I HAVE to sit through an information/training session, am I exercising a right? Or am I being coerced by a communist-like entity to be indoctrinated into the government's position on hazardous materials? You be the judge. (if you would.)


50 posted on 07/18/2005 10:37:57 AM PDT by johnb838 (Dominus Vobiscum)
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