If Rove Wasn't Initial Source of Leak, Who Was? [LATimes laments]

LATimes ^ | July 17, 2005 | By Doyle McManus

[johnny7]

Cooper really comes out an a$$ in this... but what is Judy Miller hiding?

The MSM got away with trying to subvert an election in the Mapes/Rather memo scandal... and now they fail at a sting-operation using another DNC plant... Joe Wilson.

It's time we put the fear of God into these Goebbels 'wannabe's!

[mainepatsfan]

These are the same folks who gave us the "Fake but accurate" headline.

[sirchtruth]

The special prosecutor, if he's doing anything besides wasting taxpayer money, is probably looking at obstruction or perjury charges. Everyone, this includes the MSM, needs to get past the outing thing and start trying to figure out who's going to get nailed for lying under oath. My guess is it's Wilson.

You bring up a very good point and the focus should change.

If Plame was not covert and no law was broken about revealing who she was, then what is this all about? This woman reporter (Name escapes) who went to jail for protecting the identity of a source who used Plame's name and outed her when she was not in a position to be outed! Everyone says Plame was not a covert agent and no laws were broken so why the investigation?

Is all this about revealing a source?

[alrea]

The objective is to keep legs on this story since it is all they have. Mystery, questions and suggestions is their only hope.

[mainepatsfan]

I'm kind of hoping some of them don't retreat so they can get really torn to pieces. Kind of like how CBS rallied around the fake memos instead of admitting they screwed up.

[hflynn]

If Karl Rove was source No. 2, who was source No. 1?

Ask the NYT's. Their reporter is the 1 in jail protecting a, ahem, source. LOL.

[Nick Danger]

White House officials and their Republican allies acknowledge that they may face more revelations in the weeks and months to come.

Oh yeah, I'll bet those White House officials and their Republican allies are just quaking in their boots. I know I am.

So how long are the Democrats in the media going to pretend that it wasn't them, in cahoots with Democratic campaign operative Joseph C. Wilson, and probably his wife, who started this whole classified information dump in an attempt to discredit President Bush?

These guys in the media go on and on about Rove, but the more we learn, the more it seems like this was another Rathergate. Here's the media, in bed with the Democrats, telling the public things that just aren't so. Only this time, some of the things just happened to be classified. So this time, somebody might get to go to jail.

The media wants us to think it's going to be Rove. I think it's going to be some reporters. And Joe Wilson. And Valerie Plame. And if we get real lucky, Carville or Begala will be in there too, for setting up the media trifecta on Sunday, July 6, 2003... two months after Wilson joined the Kerry campaign.

[backhoe]

 Plame Security Breach: It Just Ain't So, Joe (Democrats Inhabit Planet Zongo Alert) -- What we have here is, in effect, the old standby plot of lame Hollywood conspiracy thrillers: rogue elements within the CIA attempting to destabilize the elected government. If the left's view of the world is now so insanely upside-down that that's the side they want to be on, good for them.

 Here's the thing: They're still pulling body parts from London's Tube tunnels. Too far away for you? No local angle? OK, how about this? Magdy el-Nashar-- the head honcho in the local terrorist cell, the one who fires up the suicide bombers.

 So this time round he blew up London rather than Washington. Next time, who knows?

 Kamel Bourgass and Magdy el-Nashar are real people, not phantoms conjured by those lyin' sonsofbitches Bush and Cheney. And to those who say, "but that's why Iraq is a distraction from the war on terror," sorry, it doesn't work like that. It's not either/or; it's a string of connections: unlimited Saudi money, Westernized Islamist fanatics, supportive terrorist states, proliferating nuclear technology. One day it all comes together and there goes the neighborhood.

 The British suicide bombers and the Iranian nuke demands are genuine crises. The Valerie Plame game is a pseudo-crisis.

[goldstategop]

Liberals never admit they screw up. They haven't conceded their Great Society policies are a failure after 40 years of trying them out on the country.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)

[Arkie2]

I think her (Miller) source was Wilson himself orchestrating his wife's own outing with the complicity of the NYT. How's that for a conspiracy theory?! Got a tin foil hat handy?

Frankly, it's the only explanation I can think of that makes sense.

[mware]

LOL, look to your own kind LA Times.

There was one interesting comment by the panel on Brit's show. I think it was Mort. He speculated that the source may have been a social one, (ie gossip among Wilson's social set.)

[sirchtruth]

These are the same folks who gave us the "Fake but accurate" headline.

...And something else to the effect of:

I beleive you can lie, but still tell the truth.

[PGalt]

Outstanding FReeper comments bump!

[johnny7]

Somebody HAS to get indicted... that's what an independent prosecutor does.

My hunch is that he gets a perjury charge on a witness... but NOT the originator of the leak.

[jennyjenny]

how many times are the dembo's going to have to say "DOH!", before they wake up?

No kidding. It's almost getting to the point to where it's not as much fun to watch.

[marvlus]

Someone tell me what crime was committed?

[sirchtruth]

I think her (Miller) source was Wilson himself orchestrating his wife's own outing with the complicity of the NYT. How's that for a conspiracy theory?! Got a tin foil hat handy?But what law was broken by outing an agent/operative that was NOT covert? Does the law stipulate anyone who works for the C.I.A. can not be identified?

What law has been broken to warrent this investigation and grand jury?

[mware]

Actually no one has to be indicted. The point was to see if a crime was committed.

[Cboldt]

The press has made clear in recent days that no crime was committed since Plame wasn't undercover. So, who gives a rip who "outed" her.

Johm Dean is making an argument that even though the "outing" statute (50 USC 421-426) was not broken (Dean admits in his column that this statute WAS NOT BROKEN), Rove should be prosecuted under 18 USC 641.

One has to read the linked column to find the thrust of it - the excerpts naturally incline the incorrect conclusion that Dean is talking about the "outing" statute.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1443749/posts <-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1444331/posts <- Same column

[mainepatsfan]

Perhaps they'll go after Bush's daughters again.