The real Rove scandal: If you can't shoot the messenger, take aim at his wife.

LA Times ^ | July 12, 2005 | Robert Scheer

[CyberAnt]

LOL! That's what I was thinking. The first line out of the shoot is completely erroneous - IT'S A BIG FAT LIE.

But when you consider who authored it - it's typical. All Bob knows how to do is lie.

[Criminal Number 18F]

Have you seen the clip of John Kerry expressing his outrage.

No, but I've spent enough time around the physical, meatworld John Kerry that I can imagine it vividly.

"This is an outrage that someone could so disrespect national security... I was in Vietnam! Did you know I was in Vietnam? When I was in Vietnam, I was against the NVA before I came home early and was for them. There are no greater Americans than Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame, except for Alger Hiss, Jane Fonda, and me... and Teresa's money."

He has to mispronounce one word in a comical, "don't-remember-this-from-prepschool" way... probably "Plame." Yeah... "Valerie PlaMAY." Rhymes with Parkay and twice as phony...

With her being a wheel in CIA's WMD shop, small wonder it was messed up like soup on a stick.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

[MJY1288]

LOL, You know him well also :-)

[zip]

one of his favorite tactics is to create a politically potent trope and repeat it over and over until it seems true.

It works for the dimocRats everytime. Don't underestimate it.

[Wil H]

Karl Rove is Yogi.

Well, he's certainly smarter than the average bear, Boo Boo....

[FreedomCalls]

Just found this piece of info that I haven't seen anywhere else: Valerie Plame's campaign contributions

You're missing the most important piece. Her "contribution" was to launder money to Gore from her husband, Joe. He had already made $3000 in donations to the Gore campaign when the law limited him to just $2000, so he got $1000 refunded and then the same day laundered it and resent it back in to Gore by claiming it was actually from his wife (who used her CIA cover company as an address on the FEC filing by the way).

[piasa]

It's pretty funny that Wolf-puppy wants to quote Biden considering that Biden has some problems - Biden holds his fundraisers at the home of a supporter of the terrorist regime in Iran.

[philman_36]

When faced with criticism, Scheer simply dismisses his critics without addressing their arguments and continues to repeat his idea, as if the more he says it, the truer it becomes.
How scary! That sounds exactly like what some FReepers do.

[leprechaun9]

Please Mr. President, cancel all press breifings and the daily 'Show and Tell' session with these pimps of the election industry!

[Leo Carpathian]

More from wikipedia:
Plame is the wife of former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV. Wilson is her second husband. Plame met him at a Washington party in early 1997. She was able to reveal her CIA role to him while they were dating because he held a high-level security clearance. At the time Wilson was married to, but separated from, his second wife Jacqueline, a former French diplomat.

French connection too, Eh? Figers!

[TheForceOfOne]

The LA Slimes .... Give us Karl Rove!



DROP DEAD SLIMEBALLS!

[daybreakcoming]

French connection too, Eh? Figers!

One of the highlights of his resume that I saw somewhere was that he speaks "fluent French". Uh-huh

So Plame is his third wife? Wonder who the first one was.....

[daybreakcoming]

Answering my own question as to who Wilson's first wife was - not that it matters, but........"Wilson is the son of freelance journalists who lived in California and then moved around Europe while he and his brother were growing up. He went to the University of California at Santa Barbara and characterized himself as a "surf dude" with some carpentry skills. In 1974 he married his college sweetheart, Susan Otchis, and in 1976 went to work for the State Department. His postings included Niger, Togo-where his wife became pregnant with the first set of Wilson twins, Joseph and Sabrina, now 24-South Africa, and Burundi. It was in Burundi that Susan "decided she'd had about enough of me" and left him, he says."

As I said, none of this matters except interesting that he seemed to move into new marriages before the old ones was over.

[daybreakcoming]

was over = were over

[kcvl]

Plame met him at a Washington party in early 1997.

The "super double secret spy" was at a party in Washington in 1997? How is that possible?! /sarcasm

She also attended a Clinton state dinner with her ambassador husband in 1999 (see photo above). That doesn't sound to me like she was a "secret" anything, much less a "super double secret spy". What a bunch of liars and phonies.

[1Old Pro]

Sheesh, the foam from the writer's mouth got on my computer screen. I concerned that he's rabid.

[followerofchrist]

I am not sure any reporting is accurate these days (few investigate anymore), but it's established that Rove identified her to the reporter, but not by name.
It doesn't matter to me, an independent, if the reporter is left or right. I don't think left = lies and right = truth. Both lie and both tell the truth. Depends on the scruples of the individual. There's at least a thread of truth to most of what both say.
The reporter should be jailed as a traitor and whoever, even if it is Rove, revealed her identity is guilty of TREASON as far as I am concerned.

[Republican Wildcat]

He couldn't shoot the messenger? The guy is a confirmed, admitted liar.

[dollar_dog]

You're missing the most important piece. Her "contribution" was to launder money to Gore from her husband, Joe. He had already made $3000 in donations to the Gore campaign when the law limited him to just $2000, so he got $1000 refunded and then the same day laundered it and resent it back in to Gore by claiming it was actually from his wife.

You're probably correct, but much of the edge of that accusation is taken off when you take into account that Wilson donated $1000 to Pres. Bush a month later. Plus, virtually every fat cat does this (make a max donation in both spouses' names), so I don't think I would categorize it at the level of "laundering." Nonetheless, that is a keen observation on your part.

As for Ms. Plame-Wilson, she did in fact list her bogus CIA cover as her employer, but she used her home address (same as Joe's directly above) on the FEC filing.

Either way, I can see how the donation from Plame/Wilson would cause the Administration to seriously question the political motivation of Wilson's Niger report.

[Zhangliqun]

I am not sure any reporting is accurate these days (few investigate anymore), but it's established that Rove identified her to the reporter, but not by name.

And your point is...? It doesn't matter to me, an independent, if the reporter is left or right. I don't think left = lies and right = truth. Both lie and both tell the truth. Depends on the scruples of the individual. There's at least a thread of truth to most of what both say.

First, I don't think anyone here has ever said that righties never lie, certainly not me anyway.

Second, I will nonetheless say that righties do tend to be truthful far more often than lefties. There are several reasons for this, none of them having to do with righties just being inherently superior beings: a) Mainstream conservative philosophy is rooted much more deeply in common sense, experience, and a realistic view of human nature than mainstream liberalism. Liberal philosophy is rooted in a desire to rebel against reality, to believe that good intentions and "emotional truths" somehow trump cold hard facts, especially since doing so will lead to more short term pleasure. So they argue, lobby, and govern accordingly, leading with emotions and dragging reason behind them in tatters. This makes it difficult for the average liberal to win serious debates, hence the tendency to resort to labeling and name-calling -- to scream and throw dirt in the air -- far more often than righties do. As an example here in California, any time anyone said bilingual education was a failure, they were immediately labeled a racist to shut them up before they could bring the evidence to the fore. Now that B.ed. has been removed from California schools and the grades of Spanish-speaking kids has shot through the roof, the lefties don't want to talk about it anymore.

b) Reporters tend to be lefties, especially since newspapers and especially television have become more concerned with dramatizing and personalizing issues and events for ratings (and because that is in their nature) than with just flat-out telling us what happened. They also tend to have an overly romanticized view of themselves as defenders of the downtrodden, and they will defend that image at all costs, including more trodding down of the downtrodden. Hence the slanted reporting on the bilingual education issue here in CA a few years ago, or when mainstream media reporters referred to Reagan's tax cuts as "Reagonomics" daily up until the moment good economic news started coming in, at which point these pejorative references all but completely stopped.

My point is not that there are no right wing kooks -- there are, like David Duke on one end and Pat Buchanan on the other.

c) Third, I'm just not buying this "moral equivalence", everybody-does-it line that lefties resort to when their arguments or heroes go into a tailspin. Sell it elsewhere. The reporter should be jailed as a traitor and whoever, even if it is Rove, revealed her identity is guilty of TREASON as far as I am concerned.

The problem with your assertion is that Rove has broken no law. Plame has not been a field spook since 1994, when CIA benched her because they believed Aldrich Ames had "outed" her to the USSR. This law applies only when: a) The spy in question is currently in the field or has been within the last 5 years; b) The "outer" intended to reveal the agent's name for the purpose of placing the agent in danger and/or undermining the operation in which the agent is involved.

Also it is not clear in the least that Rove even knew she ever was a field spook. Plus his intent was to let the press know that Wilson was NOT, contrary to what Wilson was claiming, picked by Cheney for the job. His intent was not to place a field spook in danger.

And last but not least, field spooks don't usually attend state dinners and pose for Vanity Fair and generally make a spectacle of themselves on the DC circuit if they don't want to be made.

All you're left with as a basis for argument is your personal dislike of Rove.