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Arizona High School Will Stop Using Textbooks(Will Use Laptops,Online Articles Instead of Books)
aolnews.com ^ | 7 11 05

Posted on 07/11/2005 8:53:06 AM PDT by freepatriot32

TUCSON, Ariz. (July 11) - A high school in Vail will become the state's first all-wireless, all-laptop public school this fall. The 350 students at the school will not have traditional textbooks. Instead, they will use electronic and online articles as part of more traditional teacher lesson plans.

Vail Unified School District's decision to go with an all-electronic school is rare, experts say. Often, cost, insecurity, ignorance and institutional constraints prevent schools from making the leap away from paper.

''The efforts are very sporadic,'' said Mark Schneiderman, director of education policy for the Software and Information Industry Association. ''A minority of communities are doing a good or very good job, but a large number are just not there on a number of levels.''

Calvin Baker, superintendent of Vail Unified School District, said the move to electronic materials gets teachers away from the habit of simply marching through a textbook each year.

He noted that the AIMS test now makes the state standards the curriculum, not textbooks. Arizona students will soon need to pass Arizona's Instrument to Measure Standards to graduate from high school.

But the move to laptops is not cheap. The laptops cost $850 each, and the district will hand them to 350 students for the entire year. The fast-growing district hopes to have 750 students at the high school eventually.

A set of textbooks runs about $500 to $600, Baker said.

It's not clear how the change to laptops will work, he conceded.

''I'm sure there are going to be some adjustments. But we visited other schools using laptops. And at the schools with laptops, students were just more engaged than at non-laptop schools,'' he said.


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I wonder if they will offer freereublic.com as an elective?
1 posted on 07/11/2005 8:53:08 AM PDT by freepatriot32
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2 posted on 07/11/2005 8:55:37 AM PDT by Born Conservative ("If not us, who? And if not now, when? - Ronald Reagan)
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To: freepatriot32

Will they have to wrap their laptop with brown grocery bags to protect them? ;)


3 posted on 07/11/2005 8:56:24 AM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: freepatriot32
probably use Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia,

"yes sir, even YOU can re-write history"

4 posted on 07/11/2005 8:56:30 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: Born Conservative

ping


5 posted on 07/11/2005 8:57:23 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (www.lp.org)
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To: freepatriot32
And at the schools with laptops, students were just more engaged than at non-laptop schools,'' he said.

Yeah, engaged with music downloads, instant messenger, chat rooms, etc.

6 posted on 07/11/2005 8:57:51 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: freepatriot32

Aren't all the textbooks these days outdated, too expensive and owned by foreigners?


7 posted on 07/11/2005 8:58:08 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: freepatriot32

That was my first thought. Direct the little angels to FreeRepublic!


8 posted on 07/11/2005 9:00:27 AM PDT by Enterprise (Thus sayeth our rulers - "All your property is mine." - - - Kelo vs New London)
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9 posted on 07/11/2005 9:00:31 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (www.lp.org)
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To: freepatriot32
My daughter attended a high school that was part of a study on the effectiveness of an "all electronic" curriculum. the whole class received computers, they read their lessons on line (teacher could track who logged in each day!), did tests on line (mult choice & T/F & fill-in-the-blank were graded instantly with results posted), and parents were given pass-words to check the daily updated teacher notes, grades, tardy/late roster; we all liked it.

The issue is cost, connectivity & maintenance for lower income students. However, the advantages are great & I think it is the way of the future.

10 posted on 07/11/2005 9:01:44 AM PDT by mark502inf
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To: CheneyChick
Aren't all the textbooks these days outdated, too expensive and owned by foreigners?

No one believes me when i tell them this but i swear that its true.When I was in the 5th grade the class was using encyclopedias that said albert einstien was still alive

11 posted on 07/11/2005 9:02:50 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (www.lp.org)
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To: freepatriot32

I bet the incidence of reading problems will increase especially if this gets expanded down to the elementary school level. Printed books have superior resolution to laptop screens.


12 posted on 07/11/2005 9:04:14 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: freepatriot32

Speaking as one who works at a school where each child is provided with a laptop, let me say this: I am not impressed with the effects on academic achievement, so far. I think school districts should wait and see what the research on school districts already doing this shows-- especially since laptops are more expensive than books. [Our less expensive iMacs (smallest size) are closer to $1,000 each.]


13 posted on 07/11/2005 9:04:46 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: freepatriot32
It's not clear how the change to laptops will work, he conceded.

''I'm sure there are going to be some adjustments. But we visited other schools using laptops. And at the schools with laptops, students were just more engaged than at non-laptop schools,'' he said.

I'm glad they used a careful and scientific method to ensure such an expensive decision is worthwhile.

15 posted on 07/11/2005 9:12:59 AM PDT by Young Scholar
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To: freepatriot32
We are moving toward laptops for all students at my college, but students will have to provide their own laptops. This will NOT replace traditional texts and reading for students. But they will be able to get notes on line easily.

We also have a Smartboard in some of our classrooms. A Smartboard is about 48" square and is a computer screen that is on the board. Professors can just touch the controls to get what they want. They can also draw over their notes, bring up internet images, powerpoint, etc., etc. The possibilities are endless. I think it is the greatest aid for teaching that I know of, especially since I teach with slides (or, now, internet images). I often analyze the artworks first; then we discuss them, but often students never got the right notes down. Now I can write the notes in class, or post pre-written notes, and students can relax and discuss the works and get the notes later on line. Some students have to process information by writing notes, but others don't and can truly benefit by absorbing the information visually.

The Smartboard works even without laptops in the class. But as students get the laptops, they can download the information in class and then add to it as they wish.

I do wonder about IM going on, and I also wonder if new fun "tricks" on the internet might replace hard thought and learning. However, being able to search for sources etc. in class could be beneficial.

I think we should try whatever the budgets allow, debate and assess the results, and go from there. But students should still be reading real books. I expect, however, that soon books will be on line as well, and that might be beneficial in some instances.

16 posted on 07/11/2005 9:17:24 AM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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To: freepatriot32

What happens if the little darlings sell the things for drugs, booze, or sneakers?


17 posted on 07/11/2005 9:17:32 AM PDT by proudofthesouth (Boycotting movies since 1988)
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To: freepatriot32
a) the textbooks suck, which is one reason we wrote "A Patriot's History of the United States," but

b) this is a VERY BAD sign, as students are increasingly reading less and putting stuff on-line does NOT encourage them to read more. We need more actual physical text reading, where students can mark up documents and make comments.

I say substitute the 350 copies of the nut-job textbooks with ours. That solves both problems.

18 posted on 07/11/2005 9:27:16 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: LS
I say substitute the 350 copies of the nut-job textbooks with ours.

Having read your book, I'll second that :)

19 posted on 07/11/2005 9:28:47 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: proudofthesouth
What happens if the little darlings sell the things for drugs, booze, or sneakers?
Our laptops have special identifier tags with bar codes, etc., affixed to the top. If you try to take them off, it will probably break the top. If you should get one of them off, there's some kind of tattoo left on the top where the label was. Also, the police have been around to all of the pawn shops and shown them the laptops with the tags so that they know not even to bother with trying to buy and sell them. There's some sort of reward for turning in a stolen laptop. Also, you have to log in on the laptop with a preset password. In other words, they just aren't worth the effort.
20 posted on 07/11/2005 9:30:05 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: mewzilla

Heheh. And that's for science class, too :)


21 posted on 07/11/2005 9:30:21 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: BulletBobCo
Will they have to wrap their laptop with brown grocery bags to protect them? ;)

We always had to buy our book covers. Paper bags weren't allowed. Actually, I think they'll have to use that "recycled" plastic stuff. :)

22 posted on 07/11/2005 9:37:53 AM PDT by moog
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To: sure_fine

probably use Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia,
"yes sir, even YOU can re-write history"

hehehehehe:)


23 posted on 07/11/2005 9:38:30 AM PDT by moog
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To: NewHampshireDuo

Yeah, engaged with music downloads, instant messenger, chat rooms, etc.

That's the way it is in at least some parts of England.


24 posted on 07/11/2005 9:39:37 AM PDT by moog
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To: mark502inf
My daughter attended a high school that was part of a study on the effectiveness of an "all electronic" curriculum. the whole class received computers, they read their lessons on line (teacher could track who logged in each day!), did tests on line (mult choice & T/F & fill-in-the-blank were graded instantly with results posted), and parents were given pass-words to check the daily updated teacher notes, grades, tardy/late roster; we all liked it. The issue is cost, connectivity & maintenance for lower income students. However, the advantages are great & I think it is the way of the future. Parents can log on to find out a grade for their son or daughter who attends any secondary school in my district. They don't all carry around laptops though.

There has been thought to putting the end-of-year tests all on computer, but to do it right now would be inefficient with everyone having to share one computer lab. While the tests can be done in three or four days now, in the initial pilot test, it took the school 3 MONTHS to complete the tests. There are too many other factors to go into here as well.

25 posted on 07/11/2005 9:44:03 AM PDT by moog
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To: Paleo Conservative

Printed books have superior resolution to laptop screens.

Amen to that and people who read them have superior reading skills.


26 posted on 07/11/2005 9:45:04 AM PDT by moog
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To: Javelina

This ignores the more important question: Will they have stickers on each laptop declaring that evolution "is a theory only.

Hehe. I love those evolution threads. They're pretty entertaining.


27 posted on 07/11/2005 9:45:57 AM PDT by moog
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To: freepatriot32

that said albert einstien was still alive

You mean he isn't??? I thought he was living with Elvis and Marilyn Monroe. I know for a fact that Billy the Kid and Butch Cassidy were seen in the Arizona desert.


28 posted on 07/11/2005 9:47:17 AM PDT by moog
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To: LS

the textbooks suck, which is one reason we wrote "A Patriot's History of the United States," but

Where do you get a copy of that???


29 posted on 07/11/2005 9:48:02 AM PDT by moog
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To: moog
I know for a fact that Billy the Kid and Butch Cassidy were seen in the Arizona desert.

Yeah, they were there doing that Minuteman thing a few months ago.

30 posted on 07/11/2005 9:48:15 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: NewHampshireDuo

and porno.


31 posted on 07/11/2005 9:49:33 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (My tagline snapped the last time the MSM blew smoke up my ass. Now its gone forever.)
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To: freepatriot32
When I was in the 5th grade the class was using encyclopedias that said albert einstien was still alive.

Sheesh. Just how old are you? :-)

32 posted on 07/11/2005 9:49:46 AM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: LS
this is a VERY BAD sign, as students are increasingly reading less and putting stuff on-line does NOT encourage them to read more

I agree. I do think some limited use is fine. In my school, they have to start learning typing by the third grade and get tested on it beginning if fifth I believe. BUT overdependence is wrong. I have a huge website for my students with tons of curriculum activities, but I don't emphasize it. Reading skills improve when one enjoys reading the printed word.

33 posted on 07/11/2005 9:51:43 AM PDT by moog
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To: freepatriot32

Instead of the dog ate my homework, it will be the computer lost my homework.


34 posted on 07/11/2005 9:51:43 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: CheneyChick
I know for a fact that Billy the Kid and Butch Cassidy were seen in the Arizona desert. Yeah, they were there doing that Minuteman thing a few months ago.

SHHHHH, that was supposed to be a secret. Paul Revere was down there too. Actually, where are Davy Crockett and Sam Bowie when you need them?

35 posted on 07/11/2005 9:53:07 AM PDT by moog
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To: moog
Larry Schweikart (LS) and Michael Allen, "A Patriot's History of the United States: From Columbus's Great Discovery to the War on Terror," (Sentinel, 2004):

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1595230017/qid=1092168718/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/002-6996606-5008816?v=glance&s=books

We also have a website, www.patriotshistoryusa.com for home-school teachers or others using the book for instruction to homeschoolers or in the classroom.

36 posted on 07/11/2005 9:54:52 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: moog

The reading/cricial reading skills among my freshmen in college has dropped MARKEDLY in the last 10 years---all due to the internet, I fear.


37 posted on 07/11/2005 9:56:35 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: moog

Vegas?


38 posted on 07/11/2005 9:58:23 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: freepatriot32

VERY 1984.

Makes revising history on the fly so much easier.

I wonder if the blocking sofware will prevent reading about things like "God"

I wonder if Mom and Dad will have the ability to preview the materials same as a school book.


39 posted on 07/11/2005 9:59:19 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: LS

Thanks!!! I'll get it. That kind of stuff is in our curriculum and I have been looking for a good source.


40 posted on 07/11/2005 10:02:52 AM PDT by moog
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To: CheneyChick

Vegas?

I'm betting they are.


41 posted on 07/11/2005 10:04:07 AM PDT by moog
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To: LS
The reading/cricial reading skills among my freshmen in college has dropped MARKEDLY in the last 10 years

Apparently, so has the spelling of the Profs... ;^}

42 posted on 07/11/2005 10:05:11 AM PDT by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: LS
The reading/cricial reading skills among my freshmen in college has dropped MARKEDLY in the last 10 years---all due to the internet, I fear. I wouldn'at say ALL due, but I do think it is a big factor, especially among adults as well. We have almost lost the art of letter writing to be replaced by email with all the witty abbreviations and substitutes for words. Don't forget the overreliance on spell and grammar checkers either or sometimes the lack of them too as we are in too much of a hurry to send and receive material.

It's why I emphasize grammar with my little first graders. Besides, my grammars wouldn't like it if I didn't.

43 posted on 07/11/2005 10:08:40 AM PDT by moog
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To: freepatriot32

Guess they'll know everything the kids look at. Wonder how the marketers will tap this new database? Will 120vac outlets be brought to each desk, or will there be extra batteries at charge stations? How much additional IT staff will be required? What are projected costs for software, updates, upgrades, malware, and loss? What's the disciplinary policy for laptop abusers - back to books? Who handles classroom laptop problems - intructors or IT staff? Will air conditioning cost more due to the heat generated by hundreds of laptops and chargers? So many questions...


44 posted on 07/11/2005 10:19:29 AM PDT by polymuser
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To: LS
b) this is a VERY BAD sign, as students are increasingly reading less and putting stuff on-line does NOT encourage them to read more. We need more actual physical text reading, where students can mark up documents and make comments.

I not sure I get your point... what we are doing here is reading on line physical text and marking up documents and make comments...FR and discussion board like it are a prime example of what on line learning can be... post your text article or assigned reading and and then let the student have at it in a discussion board format to comment and question...

45 posted on 07/11/2005 10:24:01 AM PDT by tophat9000 (When the State ASSUMES death...It makes an ASH out of you and me..)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Printed books have superior resolution to laptop screens.

That is offset by the ability to increase the viewing preference.

46 posted on 07/11/2005 10:26:39 AM PDT by Zechariah11
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To: Clara Lou

"Also, you have to log in on the laptop with a preset password. In other words, they just aren't worth the effort."

That could be bypassed fairly easily unless the password was specific for each laptop and then it could still be bypassed. But, as you stated, it wouldn't be worth the effort.


47 posted on 07/11/2005 10:44:39 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: cspackler
"The reading/cricial reading skills among my freshmen in college has dropped MARKEDLY in the last 10 years"

Bush's fault.

FYI

48 posted on 07/11/2005 10:49:38 AM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: tophat9000
"post your text article or assigned reading and and then let the student have at it in a discussion board format to comment and question..."

Ok, I'll be the first to implement Kant's Categorical Imperative.

What if everyone did this?

49 posted on 07/11/2005 10:51:49 AM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: mark502inf

The issue is, the book publishing companies won't be able to run their little racket anymore if this catches on.


50 posted on 07/11/2005 10:53:30 AM PDT by dfwgator
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