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LAPD officers kill man who shot at them while holding baby
AP ^ | 7/10/5

Posted on 07/10/2005 9:58:17 PM PDT by SmithL

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To: ncountylee
Hispanic mayor

I am not a fan of Villar/Villagaroisa, but do you really think that only Anglos are qualified to be Mayors in this country? Besides, Hahn was a corrupt incompetant a-s who deserved to lose.

41 posted on 07/11/2005 12:36:09 AM PDT by Clemenza (Where is the Genius of Love?)
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To: Black Tooth

I read differing accounts of what happened. That said, my point still stands - the LAPD prefers volume of fire over accuracy of fire.


42 posted on 07/11/2005 12:38:33 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
another was hit in the ankle and killed himself rather than be captured.

Oh and this guy didn't kill himself, suspect #2 was shot multiple times, including head shots, and bled to death at the scene.

43 posted on 07/11/2005 12:40:45 AM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: Spktyr
I read differing accounts of what happened

Yeah, they made a movie about it too, and it was bad, not accurate, and the actors sucked.

44 posted on 07/11/2005 12:42:39 AM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: Spktyr
"Eventually one went down with a headshot (after quite a while and quite a lot of expended ammo, and after he'd fled a considerable distance), another was hit in the ankle and killed himself rather than be captured."

Actually it was reversed. The guy off'd himself with a headshot. The other was sprayed down MP-5 style after having his legs shorted.

45 posted on 07/11/2005 12:43:23 AM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy" fills this space)
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To: Spktyr

I should've read the whole thread...


46 posted on 07/11/2005 12:44:30 AM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy" fills this space)
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To: truth_seeker; SmithL

To think, New Yorkers used to move to California because it had "less crime."


47 posted on 07/11/2005 12:45:44 AM PDT by Clemenza (Where is the Genius of Love?)
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To: Black Tooth

There was also some god-awful cop show episode where they "retold" the robbery, but the two stars found a record company exec's bulletproof Suburban and used that as cover to get to the bad guys and miraculously saved the day through pinpoint-accurate shooting. Complete and utter garbage. It was so memorable that I don't remember the name of the (short-lived) series.


48 posted on 07/11/2005 12:46:41 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
"That said, my point still stands - the LAPD prefers volume of fire over accuracy of fire."

NY is good for that as well. Granted this is a hostage situation and engagement may be different (or not if it's fire upon being fired upon) but the cops were in jeopardy and defended their lives.

49 posted on 07/11/2005 12:49:32 AM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy" fills this space)
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To: endthematrix
Actually it was reversed. The guy off'd himself with a headshot. The other was sprayed down MP-5 style after having his legs shorted.

And they suspects relatives actually tried to sue LAPD for letting him bleed to death, and not allowing paramedics into the scene. Of course the scene was not secured as they didn't know if more suspects were in the area/involved.

Nothing could have saved him anyway. He was full of holes, even with the body armor.

50 posted on 07/11/2005 12:49:39 AM PDT by Black Tooth
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That said, my point still stands - the LAPD prefers volume of fire over accuracy of fire.

You should have seen the SLA shoot out in south central. The house was completely burnt to the ground, and LAPD continued to fire hundreds of rounds into the burning rubble after the house collapsed.

51 posted on 07/11/2005 12:52:34 AM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: Spktyr
There was a great article in Soldier of Fortune magazine. They had laid out all the gear the robbers had. Smoke grenades, 100 round AK drums, etc.
52 posted on 07/11/2005 12:53:41 AM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy" fills this space)
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To: endthematrix

A friend of mine actually scanned that and sent that to me a few years ago - very interesting reading. Heck if I know where it is now, though.


53 posted on 07/11/2005 12:55:13 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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"The house was completely burnt to the ground, and LAPD continued to fire hundreds of rounds into the burning rubble"

Sounds familiar...but Federal and down in TX.

54 posted on 07/11/2005 12:55:41 AM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy" fills this space)
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To: Black Tooth

I heard about that; doesn't surprise me. Wall Of Lead, indeed.


55 posted on 07/11/2005 12:56:58 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Clemenza
Villagaroisa offers some hope, Hahn offered zero.
56 posted on 07/11/2005 12:57:35 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: endthematrix

The LAPD can manage something like that all on their own.

I once saw a crack house that the LAPD had raided. The walls had so many holes in them that they looked like swiss cheese. The only problem was that the house was so old and so ill-maintained that even the crack dealers had moved out about a month prior and there had been nobody inside at the time of the raid.


57 posted on 07/11/2005 12:58:59 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: ncountylee
The good news is that LA has a "weak mayor" system in everything but name. They don't have a city manager, but the council and the municipal unions have always had considerable more power than the Mayor.

Maybe some LA-area Freepers can help me out here and tell me who was the last remotely "conservative" Mayor of LA. Sam Yorty?

58 posted on 07/11/2005 1:00:51 AM PDT by Clemenza (Where is the Genius of Love?)
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To: Spktyr
I agree, utter garbage.

The live, real time video from the news chopper was actually zoomed in on the suspect that was walking with the pistol, and showed this guy walking towards leo's, and getting hit dozens of times, you could see his clothing being buffeted by bullets, even with the body armor that had to be extremely painful. The camera zoomed in closer and this guy points the pistol under his chin and executes himself, and drops like a rock.

They only showed it once, live during the robbery, but never again.

In reality these guys are really stupid. They had no exit strategy and could have never gotten away. More successful bank robbers are generally unarmed, but claim to be in their note they quietly pass to the teller. But they usually get caught eventually.

59 posted on 07/11/2005 1:07:47 AM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: Spktyr
Police SWAT are more equipped then Third World armies.
60 posted on 07/11/2005 1:10:39 AM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy" fills this space)
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