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Excavation yields ax thousands of years old
WLUC ^ | July 6, 2005

Posted on 07/07/2005 8:56:06 PM PDT by nickcarraway

BRIDGEPORT TOWNSHIP, MICH. -- A Saginaw County man thought he was simply digging a basement for the house he would eventually build on Snowy Lane in Bridgeport Township.

But the hole Arthur A. Shaft opened up in 2000 turned out to be an archaeological dig of sorts, too.

The Saginaw County Historical Society last month confirmed that the object was a barbed stone ax head left behind by Indians 3,000 to 5,000 years ago.

"I was amazed _ I thought it was just a couple hundred years old," Shaft, 52, a General Motors Corp. retiree, told The Saginaw News for a Tuesday story. "I'm not even sure who lived here then. Was it a caveman?"

It's more like that Shaft built his house on a site occupied by descendants of Indians who arrived in Michigan up to 12,000 years ago, said Jeff Sommer, the historical society's curator of archaeology.

Sommer, who identified the ax, said it probably was used by an extended family of migrating Indians that hunted and gathered food at some sites and collected resources at others. Whoever made the ax likely spent several tedious hours shaping it with another rock before polishing it with sandstone, he said.

Indian artifacts turn up often in Saginaw County, although Shaft's discovery _ a "barbed" ax, with nubs flaring out from the groove in the center _ is "a unique artifact," Sommer said. "We don't have any of this style from any good archaeological contexts," he said.

Sommer determined the age of the ax by comparing it with similar pieces whose age is known. Like most artifacts from that period, the ax was well-worn.

"People weren't throwing away their good, usable materials," Sommer said. "Most of what archeologists find and what people bring in was garbage. ... Once in a while, people bring in things like this ax, and it's really kind of a surprise to see it."

Shaft said he hasn't decided what to do with his discovery. "For now, I've just got it stashed," he said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: archaeology; ax; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; michigan; shaft
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1 posted on 07/07/2005 8:56:06 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: SunkenCiv; blam; Fiddlstix; FairOpinion

ping


2 posted on 07/07/2005 8:56:28 PM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: nickcarraway

It is AlGore's ax. He invented it.


3 posted on 07/07/2005 8:58:44 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: nickcarraway

BTTT


4 posted on 07/07/2005 9:00:31 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: nickcarraway

Quick !!

Make a cast of it before it thereatens the local indians with NOT being the first Americans (Kinnawick Man)

HOOOOOO WEEEEEEEEE!!!


5 posted on 07/07/2005 9:00:37 PM PDT by kennyboy509 (Ha! I kill me!)
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To: nickcarraway

Who retires at 52?


6 posted on 07/07/2005 9:00:49 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: nickcarraway

There's no such thing as an ax that's "thousands" of years old. A real scientist will tell you it's MILLIONS of years old. Stone age. Go ahead and run the tests. You'll see.


7 posted on 07/07/2005 9:02:44 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: nickcarraway
Excavation yields ax thousands of years old


8 posted on 07/07/2005 9:03:28 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: nickcarraway

[The Saginaw County Historical Society last month confirmed that the object was a barbed stone ax head left behind by Indians 3,000 to 5,000 years ago. "I was amazed _ I thought it was just a couple hundred years old," Shaft, 52, a General Motors Corp. retiree, told The Saginaw News for a Tuesday story. "I'm not even sure who lived here then. Was it a caveman?"]


Dunno. Are there any caves in that county?


9 posted on 07/07/2005 9:04:18 PM PDT by spinestein (The facts fairly and honestly presented, truth will take care of itself.)
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To: nickcarraway; windcliff
Shaft said he hasn't decided what to do with his discovery. "For now, I've just got it stashed," he said.

Well there's always ebay.

10 posted on 07/07/2005 9:04:36 PM PDT by I Drive Too Fast
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To: Fester Chugabrew
There's no such thing as an ax that's "thousands" of years old.

Don't be ridiculous.

A real scientist will tell you it's MILLIONS of years old. Stone age.

Only if that's what the evidence actually indicates. Which it doesn't in this case.

Go ahead and run the tests. You'll see.

They did. You're wrong.

11 posted on 07/07/2005 9:07:04 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Last Dakotan
Who retires at 52?

Pretty much anyone who can.

12 posted on 07/07/2005 9:08:07 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Last Dakotan
Who retires at 52?

I retired 6 years ago at 54.

13 posted on 07/07/2005 9:11:32 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: nickcarraway

bttt


14 posted on 07/07/2005 9:12:13 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: Ichneumon

I own George Washington's original ax.

The head has been replaced 6 times and the handle 14....


But it's the original ax.


15 posted on 07/07/2005 9:13:43 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58

Me at 53.5


16 posted on 07/07/2005 9:13:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: GSlob
lol

It must have been buried inside his lock-box.

I bet this mans basement becomes larger than he had originally planned now. If anyone can find a pic of this Axe please post it. The article didn't have one. It sounds like more of a weapon to me. What an interesting and unique find.

Here are some of my favorite artifact finds from North Texas. Image hosted by Photobucket.com

17 posted on 07/07/2005 9:16:03 PM PDT by No Blue States
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To: Ichneumon

Get a grip. We've got evidence of evolution here. Make it OLD. Real old. Think how many millions of years it took all those molecules to assemble themselves into an intelligent being who could create an axe head, all under the influence of little more than natural selection and random mutations. It's the "scientific" way.


18 posted on 07/07/2005 9:16:48 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: nickcarraway

Hmm.

I used to have a 200-year old hammer. It was my grandfathers. The head had been replaced numerous times and the handle had been replaced umpteen times but the hammer was 200 years old.

Okay, I know, I know, that's a really old joke. But it was the first thing I thought of when I saw the title.


19 posted on 07/07/2005 9:17:19 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: Graybeard58

Ha! You type faster than me.


20 posted on 07/07/2005 9:18:37 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: Elsie

Life is great isn't it?


21 posted on 07/07/2005 9:18:56 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Last Dakotan
Who retires at 52?

I retired on my 39th birthday.

It didn't take.

22 posted on 07/07/2005 9:20:40 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Graybeard58; webstersII; nickcarraway; Ichneumon

I thought this was an article about Keith Richards.


23 posted on 07/07/2005 9:23:31 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob

Keith Richards is older than that.


24 posted on 07/07/2005 9:24:31 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Get a grip. We've got evidence of evolution here. Make it OLD. Real old. Think how many millions of years it took all those molecules to assemble themselves into an intelligent being who could create an axe head, all under the influence of little more than natural selection and random mutations. It's the "scientific" way.

As usual, your posts actually reveal that you have a very poor grasp of what science actually is or what it's about. And yet for some reason you are so obsessed by what you imagine it to be that you can turn a discussion of almost anything whatsoever into a bitter rant about the vast conspiracy of scientists you believe sit around thinking up new ways to manufacture non-existent evidence for a particular paradigm.

There are medications for paranoia and obsessive-compulsive disorders. You might want to check them out. If not for yourself, do it for your loved ones.

25 posted on 07/07/2005 9:24:45 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Graybeard58

ROFL


26 posted on 07/07/2005 9:24:50 PM PDT by No Blue States
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To: Ichneumon
"Go ahead and run the tests. You'll see."
They did. You're wrong.


Only if the Young Earth Theory is correct.
27 posted on 07/07/2005 9:25:14 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: Graybeard58
I thought this was an article about Keith Richards.

No, it's about Keith Richards' axe.
28 posted on 07/07/2005 9:27:06 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
So they found Keith Richards ancient campsite aand burial place? Image hosted by Photobucket.com
29 posted on 07/07/2005 9:31:53 PM PDT by No Blue States
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
No, it's about Keith Richards' axe.

Maybe it's about his ax wife.

30 posted on 07/07/2005 9:32:24 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide; Graybeard58; webstersII; nickcarraway; Ichneumon
"...tedious hours shaping it with another rock before polishing it with sandstone..."

Clearly this must have been someone with an axe to grind. Any bloodstains on it?

31 posted on 07/07/2005 9:32:31 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: nickcarraway; martin_fierro; mikrofon; PJ-Comix; doug from upland
But the hole Arthur A. Shaft opened up in 2000 turned out to be an archaeological dig of sorts, too. . . .

SHAFT
Tune: "Shaft"

Who's the Saginaw County man
That's an ax machine on all the digs?
SHAFT!
Ya damn right!

Who is the man that would get a head
On his basement plan?
SHAFT!
Can you dig it?

Who's the cat that won't top out
When there's diggers all about?
SHAFT!
Right on!

They say this cat Shaft is retired
SHUT YOUR MOUTH!
I'm talkin' 'bout Shaft.
THEN WE CAN DIG IT!

He's an addle-pated man
That doesn't understand, "Was it a caveman?"
ARTHUR A. SHAFT!

32 posted on 07/07/2005 9:35:24 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (The wag tailoring the doggerel)
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To: Hank Rearden

I'll probably never retire. Don't let my wife know this though!


33 posted on 07/07/2005 9:38:11 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: Charles Henrickson

That shaft is one bad archeolo... (shut your mouth)


34 posted on 07/07/2005 9:40:16 PM PDT by jz638
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To: Graybeard58
Maybe it's about his ax wife.

Why don't you ax him?
35 posted on 07/07/2005 9:42:24 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: Last Dakotan

me!


36 posted on 07/07/2005 9:43:15 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

I'm with you.

The "scientific" paradigm has been smashed over and over and over...


37 posted on 07/07/2005 10:00:41 PM PDT by msf92497 (My brain is "twitchy")
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To: Graybeard58; Last Dakotan
Who retires at 52?

Eight years ago, at 51.

Tired.

Retired.

STILL tired!

38 posted on 07/07/2005 10:01:38 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more work horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: nickcarraway

If you ever dig up anything valuable on your property, you should just keep your mouth shut.


39 posted on 07/07/2005 10:12:05 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: spinestein

There aren't any caves, but my husband found many arrow heads on a farm there about 30 years ago.


40 posted on 07/07/2005 10:17:33 PM PDT by Gosh I love this neighborhood
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To: No Blue States

The large green one on the left and the large white one on the right are drills.


41 posted on 07/07/2005 10:17:44 PM PDT by fish hawk (I am only one, but I am not the only one.)
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To: kennyboy509

Ha, ha, I was thinking the same thing. Indians? Maybe not. Better bury it quick or the locals will be coming looking for their axe.


42 posted on 07/07/2005 10:19:03 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Kirkwood
If you ever dig up anything valuable on your property, you should just keep your mouth shut.

Or the gov will use imminent domain on your property and build a museum and charge you admission to get in and see it.

43 posted on 07/07/2005 10:20:05 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Gosh I love this neighborhood

correction- arrowheads


44 posted on 07/07/2005 10:25:21 PM PDT by Gosh I love this neighborhood
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ax thousands of years old

ooh was it a Craftsman?

45 posted on 07/07/2005 10:25:23 PM PDT by KneelBeforeZod ( I'm going to open Cobra Kai dojos all over this valley!)
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To: nickcarraway; martin_fierro; mikrofon

This is all part of the Axes Primeval.


46 posted on 07/07/2005 10:26:07 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (If you ax me.)
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To: fish hawk

Yes they are. The 2 big ones in the middle are paleo I believe. Plainviews maybe. :)

Do you collect artifacts also?


47 posted on 07/07/2005 10:27:09 PM PDT by No Blue States
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To: martin_fierro

See, that was funny. (honestly, I looked at your deep impact image for like 5 minutes before I was sure there was no joke.....from the other thread)


48 posted on 07/07/2005 10:28:31 PM PDT by TheOtherOne (The scales of Justice are unbalanced.™)
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To: Eva; kennyboy509

Don't Mess with Axes!


49 posted on 07/07/2005 10:29:48 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Death and Axes.)
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To: Charles Henrickson
Don't Mess with Axes!

Jimi Hendrix: Ax is bold as love.

50 posted on 07/07/2005 10:31:07 PM PDT by No Blue States
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