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Doctor: Schiavo Autopsy Conclusions Flawed
NewsMax ^ | 6/19/05 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 06/19/2005 6:04:50 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: bjs1779
Our thread within the thread was if he ever did anything wrong or was convicted of it.

He never did anything. Period.

41 posted on 06/19/2005 7:55:39 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: RightWhale

"Psychology and the brain is still firmly in the theoretical. It is not even certain if the soul resides in the brain."


Would the intellect i.e. spirit be the brain of the soul, as the brain is the intellect of the flesh body??? Would it not be the case so long as the brain is functioning to send the signal to breathe the soul still inhabits the body???


42 posted on 06/19/2005 7:58:07 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: sinkspur
He never did anything. Period.

Oh, don't be so frustrated. For me, I wish he just had an opportunity to do so......

43 posted on 06/19/2005 7:59:04 PM PDT by bjs1779 ("I don’t want anyone trying to feed that GIRL" Greer thundered from the bench in 2001)
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To: wagglebee
I wonder how much pressure there was on the doctor who performed the autopsy to reach certain conclusions. Also, who determined who was going to perform the autopsy?

I'm no doctor, but that autopsy had to be like dissecting a saltine cracker. I don't see how the conclusions from such an autopsy could possibly have any credibility. The forensic doctor could pretty much say anything he wanted. I don't trust the whole thing. Not at all.

44 posted on 06/19/2005 8:02:24 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Just mythoughts

The brain appears to be necessary in regulation of some bodily processes. But not all. Some animals and most plants have no brain, and most plants have no nervous system at all, yet they exhibit some behaviors that we associate with the brain, including learning. Plants can have conditioned response and anticipate, slowly, of course. The idea is that the nervous system and the brain accelerate such behavioral responses, but do not originate all of them.


45 posted on 06/19/2005 8:06:02 PM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: RightWhale
Ok, is breathing considered to be originated by the brain or is it considered a behavioral response?
46 posted on 06/19/2005 8:11:09 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Howlin
Hammesfahr, who was disciplined in 2003 by the Florida Board of Medicine..

Sorry Howlin, it was thrown out of court.

47 posted on 06/19/2005 8:12:14 PM PDT by bjs1779 ("I don’t want anyone trying to feed that GIRL" Greer thundered from the bench in 2001)
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To: sinkspur

Facts don't matter.


48 posted on 06/19/2005 8:12:20 PM PDT by .38sw
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To: .38sw
Facts don't matter.

I agree.

49 posted on 06/19/2005 8:15:18 PM PDT by bjs1779 ("I don’t want anyone trying to feed that GIRL" Greer thundered from the bench in 2001)
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To: Just mythoughts

I would have to refer back to animal physiology to answer that. It may be that the control originates below the brain.


50 posted on 06/19/2005 8:16:25 PM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: RightWhale

Dr. Michael Hfuhruhurr?


51 posted on 06/19/2005 8:17:56 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken (Seldom right, but never in doubt.)
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To: Just mythoughts

Breathing is an autonomic function of the brain, controlled by the brainstem.


52 posted on 06/19/2005 8:20:28 PM PDT by .38sw
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To: bjs1779

I already knew that.


53 posted on 06/19/2005 8:20:58 PM PDT by .38sw
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To: Howlin

Hammesfahr, who was disciplined in 2003 by the Florida Board of Medicine

Nope.


54 posted on 06/19/2005 8:23:17 PM PDT by greccogirl ("Freedom belongs to those who are willing to sacrifice the most for it")
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To: .38sw

I am glad you confessed.


55 posted on 06/19/2005 8:25:20 PM PDT by bjs1779 ("I don’t want anyone trying to feed that GIRL" Greer thundered from the bench in 2001)
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To: greccogirl

They don't like him, do they?


56 posted on 06/19/2005 8:26:50 PM PDT by bjs1779 ("I don’t want anyone trying to feed that GIRL" Greer thundered from the bench in 2001)
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To: bjs1779

I'm sure you knew, but my comment was ironic. It is clear that facts don't matter to many, but they do matter to me.


57 posted on 06/19/2005 8:27:02 PM PDT by .38sw
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To: .38sw
It is clear that facts don't matter to many, but they do matter to me.

I don't mean to put you on the spot, but what facts are you talking about?

58 posted on 06/19/2005 8:29:30 PM PDT by bjs1779 ("I don’t want anyone trying to feed that GIRL" Greer thundered from the bench in 2001)
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To: wagglebee

This is the same quack who said Terri could eat and swallow.


59 posted on 06/19/2005 8:39:19 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: bjs1779

I'm going to start with a disclaimer: I thought it was wrong to pull the feeding tube, and am on record here as saying so. However, I'm really disturbed at a lot of the rumor, innuendo, and misinformation that gets thrown around as "fact". To start, I've heard a lot of what Dr. Hammesfahr has to say, and he isn't credible. He has said that Mrs. Schiavo was learning to walk with parallel bars shortly after being discharged from the hospital. I've never seen any corroboration of that, and I've read quite a few of the documents related to her case. When she was discharged from the hospital, she was unresponsive, and had a feeding tube, which would have been a problem with walking between parallel bars. How is it that an unresponsive woman can support herself between parallel bars?

Another thing I keep hearing is that she never had swallowing tests. She had three early on - and failed them. What good would it do for her to have had more? I've seen posted that she could have improved with therapy. Well, she had therapy, a lot of it in the beginning, and I know that the argument is that the therapy stopped when MS got the settlement money. But addition therapy doesn't do a lot of good when most of the cerebral cortex is gone because of the original therapy. You don't grow new brain tissue.

I see posted and hear it said that MS caused her initial collapse, trying to kill her. He may well have, but we don't know that for a fact. There isn't any evidence to prove that. Don't assume that my saying this means I'm a "Michael supporter", I'm not, the guy creeps me out. But I care about facts - we don't know what he may or may not have done.

I'm sorry, but I get beyond annoyed when people like me get lumped in with some nebulous group called the "death ghouls" or the "kill Terri" crowd. I've been shocked by the calls for violence against the MS, the judges, lawyers and politicians. I'm sure I'll get trashed for this post, but I really don't care anymore.


60 posted on 06/19/2005 8:44:22 PM PDT by .38sw
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