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Ex-Sheriff Gets Probation in Schiavo Case
AP ^ | 6/16/5

Posted on 06/16/2005 12:25:31 PM PDT by SmithL

Clearwater, Fla. - A former sheriff received six months of probation, a $600 fine and community service after he was convicted of trying to enter Terri Schiavo's hospice to give her water.

Former Lee County Sheriff John J. McDougall, an outspoken Roman Catholic, was arrested March 19 outside the hospice — the day after Schiavo's feeding tube was removed.

McDougall, 62, could have avoided court . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: leo; schiavo; terrischiavo
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1 posted on 06/16/2005 12:25:31 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL
community service

He should volunteer to bring water to Hospice patients.

2 posted on 06/16/2005 12:27:21 PM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: SmithL

I wonder if we could start up a collection for the guy to raise $600 here on FR......


3 posted on 06/16/2005 12:33:17 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sicked and tired!)
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To: ElkGroveDan

I'd chip in.


4 posted on 06/16/2005 12:48:27 PM PDT by JamesP81
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To: JamesP81

Count me in.


5 posted on 06/16/2005 1:00:14 PM PDT by freepertoo
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To: freepertoo

me too


6 posted on 06/16/2005 1:02:06 PM PDT by RightField (The older you get ... the older "old" is !)
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To: SmithL
"But he demanded a trial and was convicted of trespassing by a jury that deliberated for about 45 minutes."

Be careful what you demand.

7 posted on 06/16/2005 1:02:56 PM PDT by verity (A mindset is an antidote to logic.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

I'm in


9 posted on 06/16/2005 1:06:20 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Taglines often reveal a lot about the inner person...)
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To: T.Smith

It might be that I'm getting old and the world has passed me by. Let's see if I get this? The guy was arrested because he was doing his Christian duty as he saw it? And this happened, where...in America? He was giving water to a woman that the government said may no longer have any? That the government said... must die?

Why? Because her husband, living with another woman, no longer felt it advisable FOR THE INJURED WOMAN'S PARENTS to keep her alive? And the man wanting to give her water was arrested and convicted? In what country did this happen? When? Not Germany, 1939? But America, 2005.

WE ARE IN A LOT OF TROUBLE.


10 posted on 06/16/2005 1:26:46 PM PDT by kjo
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To: SmithL

What a travesty.


11 posted on 06/16/2005 1:28:39 PM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: SmithL

Why did this story have to be linked - it was only 3 paragraphs. What a pain!


12 posted on 06/16/2005 1:43:18 PM PDT by jackibutterfly
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To: jackibutterfly

Actually, 5 paragraphs, each about 1 sentence long. So, in reality, 6 sentences. And it had to be linked???


13 posted on 06/16/2005 1:44:40 PM PDT by jackibutterfly
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To: ElkGroveDan
I would too.

I am sorry to hear that he was fined for his conduct, but one day he will be rewarded for attempting to give water to the thirsty.

14 posted on 06/16/2005 1:47:19 PM PDT by mware ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche........ "Nope, you are"-- GOD)
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To: jackibutterfly

Surprised this story even made it onto FR.
Usually, just having "sfgate" in the URL is enough to keep you from being able to get the article posted. The admin. moderator must've been asleep at the switch.


15 posted on 06/16/2005 1:50:48 PM PDT by XR7
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To: kjo

The water via mouth would have choked her to death and he would be up on manslaughter charges.


16 posted on 06/16/2005 1:57:29 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: jackibutterfly; XR7

Rules is rules!

I try to follow the rules, and in return, Jim and his moderators let me keep posting.


17 posted on 06/16/2005 2:00:12 PM PDT by SmithL (Proud Submariner)
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To: ElkGroveDan

I'm in.


18 posted on 06/16/2005 2:07:13 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: Destro

Exactly. Those nutcases ringing the hospice and demanding access to take her water (and a burger w/fries) would have killed her if they'd had their way. I guess to some, death by a stupid but compassionate act is far more acceptable than a person who states a desire not to have their life prolonged by artificial means.


19 posted on 06/16/2005 2:08:03 PM PDT by jess35
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To: SmithL

With all the laws the widower Michael Schiavo has broken, he did not even get one hour of community service. BTW, is Mike still with his mistress Jodi?

Michael Jackson was given a total pass. But then he is a rich celebrity and only harmed a kid who had a terrible mother.


20 posted on 06/16/2005 2:16:02 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: ElkGroveDan

Count me in.


21 posted on 06/16/2005 2:17:16 PM PDT by sport
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To: jess35
"a person who states a desire not to have their life prolonged by artificial means.

And who was that?

22 posted on 06/16/2005 2:18:32 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (Supporting an FR moratorium on the return of McCainiacs to this forum until 1-1-08.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

He knew he was going to get arrested. He knew he was going to get fined or jailed, or both. But good street theatre. I'm in on principle. FReepmail me if you're collecting.


23 posted on 06/16/2005 2:18:35 PM PDT by Eastbound (Jacked out since 3/31/05)
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To: SmithL

Oh yes, such a horrid criminal. Trying to give water to a woman dying of thirst. Better to spend time and money convicting this guy than on child molesters or murderers.


24 posted on 06/16/2005 2:21:20 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Destro
The water via mouth would have choked her to death and he would be up on manslaughter charges.

Depends on how it was given to her. Terri was swallowing her own saliva. She could have handled an eye dropper full at a time.

25 posted on 06/16/2005 2:22:53 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: jess35
I guess to some, death by a stupid but compassionate act is far more acceptable than a person who states a desire not to have their life prolonged by artificial means.

Choking to death would have been far more merciful than dehydrating/starving her to death.

26 posted on 06/16/2005 2:24:04 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Eastbound; sport; Diva Betsy Ross; mware; joesnuffy; JamesP81; Salvation; Coleus; ...
FReepmail me if you're collecting.

I don't mind collecting, especially if we can do it through PayPal. Let's see if we can get at least 20 people to agree and then I'll start an actual collection.

Anyone want to ping the prolife or Terri lists? All we need is 30 people good for $20 to raise the $600 this good man was fined (obviously smaller amounts would work too, but I'd like to wait until we have 20 people on board before embarking we're at 7 counting me.)

27 posted on 06/16/2005 2:28:00 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sicked and tired!)
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28 posted on 06/16/2005 2:32:41 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isiah 5:20-21)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Make it eight.


29 posted on 06/16/2005 2:38:56 PM PDT by SoVaDPJ
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To: Destro
The water via mouth would have choked her to death and he would be up on manslaughter charges.

Sure. You can tell that after the fact from an autopsy report after the victim went through weeks of dehydration. I'm sure that the autopsy report also explains how she swallowed her own saliva and did not drool. You mean it doesn't? Well, how about that...

30 posted on 06/16/2005 2:39:15 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Destro
The water via mouth would have choked her to death and he would be up on manslaughter charges.

... and people would be blaming it on Judge Greer somehow, or claiming that Mr. Schiavo had put him up to it.

31 posted on 06/16/2005 2:45:34 PM PDT by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: Dante3
With all the laws the widower Michael Schiavo has broken

I'm curious as to whether you could name a couple. Citations to the Florida or United States statutes would help.

32 posted on 06/16/2005 2:46:26 PM PDT by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: ElkGroveDan

I've got a $20.00 spot for this man.


33 posted on 06/16/2005 2:46:56 PM PDT by planekT (Go DeLay, Go!)
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A hero.


34 posted on 06/16/2005 2:50:14 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (I miss Terri - IMPEACH JUDGE GREER!!!)
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To: Spiff

"Sure. You can tell that after the fact from an autopsy report after the victim went through weeks of dehydration. I'm sure that the autopsy report also explains how she swallowed her own saliva and did not drool. You mean it doesn't? Well, how about that..."

What? Nevermind. giving her water orally would have drowned her. She did not have the ability to intake food and water, hence the feeding tube.




35 posted on 06/16/2005 3:05:15 PM PDT by cubram
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To: SmithL

I'm in too.


36 posted on 06/16/2005 3:06:38 PM PDT by tertiary01 (Getting tired of the Culture of Killing.)
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To: cubram

Even patients unable to swallow without choking can usually tolerate a wet cloth in their mouth.


37 posted on 06/16/2005 3:08:10 PM PDT by tertiary01 (Getting tired of the Culture of Killing.)
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To: tertiary01

This would not do nearly enough to rehydrate her.


38 posted on 06/16/2005 3:11:24 PM PDT by cubram
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To: Saundra Duffy

Saundra, did you know Terri personally? I'm asking because I just noticed your sig line.


39 posted on 06/16/2005 3:16:03 PM PDT by jess35
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To: tertiary01; planekT; SoVaDPJ; Eastbound; sport; Diva Betsy Ross; mware; joesnuffy; JamesP81

Alright everyone we need to call it quits. My bad. This kind of thing is against FR rules. Henceforth, email me at elkgrovedan@yahoo.com about this.

No more such discussion on this thread please.


40 posted on 06/16/2005 3:25:45 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sicked and tired!)
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To: Semper Paratus

"community service
He should volunteer to bring water to Hospice patients."

GREAT idea!!


41 posted on 06/16/2005 3:40:00 PM PDT by Sun (Call the U.S. SELL-OUT senators toll-free, 1-877-762-8762 & give 'em "heck.")
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To: T.Smith
Why would a man risk jail time just to water the plants?

You might be careful. Terri Schiavo had more brains than you for such a remark. But if we got rid of everyone with 1/2 a brain (so says the coroner), well, as John Lenon said, "Imagine".

42 posted on 06/16/2005 3:45:53 PM PDT by topher (One Nation under God)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Add me to the $20 list. Paypal would be nice.


43 posted on 06/16/2005 3:48:11 PM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: SmithL

God bless this man.


44 posted on 06/16/2005 3:49:21 PM PDT by k2blader (Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
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To: T.Smith
That was cold and uncalled for.
45 posted on 06/16/2005 3:51:58 PM PDT by Freedom Dignity n Honor (There are permanent moral truths.)
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To: SmithL

Well that's justice in Pinellas County!


46 posted on 06/16/2005 3:52:39 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: ElkGroveDan

You can count me in for $20.


47 posted on 06/16/2005 3:53:59 PM PDT by luv2lurkhere (Terri changed everything)
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To: Destro

Please, this is not the place or time for sane, rational discussion.


48 posted on 06/16/2005 4:07:47 PM PDT by Now_is_The_Time (reality is non-negotiable)
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To: T.Smith

"Plants" don't plead for water or call for their mothers, pal.


49 posted on 06/16/2005 4:09:38 PM PDT by Now_is_The_Time
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To: Now_is_The_Time

No they don't....


50 posted on 06/16/2005 4:29:22 PM PDT by cubram
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