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Schiavo Autopsy Finds No Sign of Trauma
Washingtonpost.com ^ | June 13, 2005 | MITCH STACY

Posted on 06/15/2005 9:18:16 AM PDT by blogblogginaway

LARGO, Fla. -- An autopsy on Terri Schiavo backed her husband's contention that she was in a persistent vegetative state, finding that she had massive and irreversible brain damage and was blind, the medical examiner's office said Wednesday. It also found no evidence that she was strangled or otherwise abused.

But what caused her collapse 15 years remained a mystery. The autopsy and post-mortem investigation found no proof that she had an eating disorder, as was suspected at the time, Pinellas-Pasco Medical Examiner Jon Thogmartin said.

Autopsy results on the 41-year-old brain-damaged woman were made public Wednesday, more than two months after Schiavo's death March 31 ended an internationally watched right-to-die battle between her husband and parents that engulfed the courts, Congress and the White House and divided the country.

Thogmartin also said she did not appear to have suffered a heart attack and there was no evidence that she was given harmful drugs or other substances prior to her death.

She died from dehydration, Thogmartin said.

He said she would not have been able to eat or drink if she had been given food by mouth as her parents' requested.

"Removal of her feeding tube would have resulted in her death whether she was fed or hydrated by mouth or not," Thogmartin told reporters.

He also said she was blind, because the "vision centers of her brain were dead."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: argueargueargue; disabled; emotionallydisabled; schiaveautopsy; schiavo; stilldead; swindlers; terribots; terrischiavo; terrischindler; veggiebrain
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1 posted on 06/15/2005 9:18:16 AM PDT by blogblogginaway
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To: blogblogginaway

". . . backed her husband's contention that she was in a persistent vegetative state, finding that she had massive and irreversible brain damage and was blind, the medical examiner's office said Wednesday. It also found no evidence that she was strangled or otherwise abused."

Gee, I guess those other earlier medical reports that she had multiple fractures, and some injuries which would have been inflicted by strangulation, must all be the result of incompetent medical examinations.
(sarc/)


2 posted on 06/15/2005 9:20:57 AM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: blogblogginaway

50% of her brain was gone. Poor woman.


3 posted on 06/15/2005 9:21:37 AM PDT by citizen (Yo W! Read my lips: No Amnistia by any name!)
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To: CondorFlight

Did anyone think this would read any differently?


4 posted on 06/15/2005 9:23:19 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....)
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To: blogblogginaway

Too bad for the money grubbers. I hope Randal Terry et al will shut up now.


5 posted on 06/15/2005 9:24:19 AM PDT by bukkdems ("My aunt was very frugal" - Benon Savon)
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To: citizen
50% of her brain was gone. Poor woman.

...Meaning, half of her was a living viable woman that her parents wanted to care for...???

6 posted on 06/15/2005 9:24:29 AM PDT by meandog
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To: blogblogginaway

...the "vision centers of her brain were dead."

Does this seem consistent with the video of Terri following objects with her eyes? I'm not doctor but I gotta wonder.


7 posted on 06/15/2005 9:24:57 AM PDT by RedRover (Yeah, buddy.)
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To: blogblogginaway
Please feel free to determine Terri's cause of death yourself in the space listed below. It will be duly noted and affixed to her death certificate.


Assumptions, allegations, spin the bottle theories, pin the tail on the corrupt judges, lawyers, Michael Schiavo and errant Freepers are all valid.









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8 posted on 06/15/2005 9:25:39 AM PDT by G.Mason (The replies made by this poster are meant for self-amusement only. Read at your own discretion.)
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To: blogblogginaway
An autopsy on Terri Schiavo backed her husband's contention that she was in a persistent vegetative state, finding that she had massive and irreversible brain damage and was blind,

If I'm not mistaken, the ME said "persistent vegetative state" could only be diagnosed in a living patient. Massive brain damage we knew.

9 posted on 06/15/2005 9:25:58 AM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: blogblogginaway

The Terripalooza industry will be spinning like a top trying to obfuscate this one.


10 posted on 06/15/2005 9:26:00 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: RedRover
He said she would not have been able to eat or drink if she had been given food by mouth as her parents' requested.

Then the nurses that fed her just had to be lying. I really didn't expect this report by the medical examiner to read any different.
11 posted on 06/15/2005 9:26:59 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

The scientologists are in complete control down there! They even determine when hurricanes will hit.


12 posted on 06/15/2005 9:28:43 AM PDT by aQ_code_initiate
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To: Hank Rearden

Hank I agree with you on this one.


13 posted on 06/15/2005 9:28:57 AM PDT by superiorslots (Free Traitors are communist China's modern day "Useful Idiots")
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To: meandog

Sure, I guess I would have given her to the parents to care for. But it wans't my decision.

The autopsy just shows that no amount of therapy would have helped her, ever.


14 posted on 06/15/2005 9:29:45 AM PDT by citizen (Yo W! Read my lips: No Amnistia by any name!)
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To: blogblogginaway

A a lot of people owe Michael Schiavvo an apology: Of course it wont be forthcoming. Funny they said she followed people with her eyes when the doctors say she was blind.

Poor thing lying blind and not knowing anything happeneing around her and so many wanted more years of this for her.

She is in a better place now.


15 posted on 06/15/2005 9:29:53 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Hank Rearden

Boy howdy! It's already begun.


16 posted on 06/15/2005 9:29:56 AM PDT by aQ_code_initiate
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To: citizen

However , a girl just GRADUATED from high school after having half of her brain removed surgically because of a viral infection.


17 posted on 06/15/2005 9:30:21 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: sgtbono2002

How can you purposely let a life die of thirst? How sick.


18 posted on 06/15/2005 9:31:36 AM PDT by Fawn
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To: G.Mason

How bout' suffocation by Saran Wrap over the face .. No marks !!


19 posted on 06/15/2005 9:31:53 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Guy, I became even more skeptical when (I think it was)Dr. Baden was denied access to the autopsy. He said it was usually a professional courtesy to allow other medical examiners in but this time it was denied. Wonder why?


21 posted on 06/15/2005 9:34:18 AM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: blogblogginaway

"Michael Schiavo told Police he awoke at 5:40am that morning and heard a loud thump."

22 posted on 06/15/2005 9:34:28 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Hank Rearden
The Terripalooza industry will be spinning like a top trying to obfuscate this one.

LOL! Gotta bump this one so I can come back in a couple of hours and be entertained by what surely will be many colorful replies to your post!

23 posted on 06/15/2005 9:34:44 AM PDT by Drew68 (IYAOYAS! Semper Gumby!)
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To: prion; All

any signs of violence would have healed in the decade and a half that transpired since her initial coma.


24 posted on 06/15/2005 9:35:39 AM PDT by Sarah
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To: knowledgeforfreedom
Medical facts are irrelevant to the Terri Schiavo camp followers. They know what happened and they will keep sorting through theories to find one that best supports their conclusion.
25 posted on 06/15/2005 9:36:40 AM PDT by aQ_code_initiate
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To: All

I'm shocked, SHOCKED, to discover that they found what they were looking for.....nothing.


26 posted on 06/15/2005 9:38:56 AM PDT by blueblazes
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To: Sarah

Quote: any signs of violence would have healed in the decade and a half that transpired since her initial coma.

My Dad had a heart attack 20 years ago and never new it. The doctor that did his test said he had one based upon the dead tissue and said it was at least 20 years ago.


27 posted on 06/15/2005 9:40:00 AM PDT by superiorslots (Free Traitors are communist China's modern day "Useful Idiots")
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To: Sarah

Wow! Disappearing scars and seamlessly re-fused broken bones! It's a breakthrough in human physiology!


28 posted on 06/15/2005 9:40:02 AM PDT by aQ_code_initiate
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To: Renegade
However , a girl just GRADUATED from high school after having half of her brain removed surgically because of a viral infection.

Was it a government school?

Cordially,

29 posted on 06/15/2005 9:40:30 AM PDT by Diamond (Qui liberatio scelestus trucido inculpatus.)
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To: aQ_code_initiate
They know what happened and they will keep sorting through theories to find one that best supports their conclusion.

I don't need any convoluted theory to support my conclusion. I know for a fact that a living human being was starved and dehydrated to death by court order. That's the issue here; nothing else. Whether her husband abused her is the subject of a completely different debate.

30 posted on 06/15/2005 9:41:58 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: All

By the way, wasn't the last Medical Examiner of Pinellas County, Dr. Joan Wood, forced out of her job because of allegations of corruption or incompetence? Maybe a trend could be forming.


31 posted on 06/15/2005 9:42:18 AM PDT by blueblazes
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To: CondorFlight
Gee, I guess those other earlier medical reports that she had multiple fractures, and some injuries which would have been inflicted by strangulation, must all be the result of incompetent medical examinations

Guess you didnt read Terri's Guardian Ad Litem report that said that was untrue. But then why bother with facts when speculation and conspiracy is so much fun.

33 posted on 06/15/2005 9:43:30 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Renegade

Sure. As I said, any old cockamamie reason will do.


34 posted on 06/15/2005 9:44:09 AM PDT by G.Mason (The replies made by this poster are meant for self-amusement only. Read at your own discretion.)
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To: sgtbono2002

Why don't we line up all the unfortunate disabled people in our country and send them, prematurely, off to that "better place"?


35 posted on 06/15/2005 9:44:14 AM PDT by My2Cents
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Spare me the moralizing. You're just indulging yourself in another conspiracy theory, namely that the courts and legislature of Florida, as well as the U.S. courts, planned to murder the woman.


36 posted on 06/15/2005 9:44:52 AM PDT by aQ_code_initiate
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To: RedRover
Does this seem consistent with the video of Terri following objects with her eyes? I'm not doctor but I gotta wonder.

Fact that she couldnt see should make you wonder whether the apparent tracking of objects was random movment that just happened to coincide with the actual movement. Rembmer, Terri's parents recorded four hours and only had less than a minute of "purposeful" action recorded.

37 posted on 06/15/2005 9:46:31 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: aQ_code_initiate

LOL


38 posted on 06/15/2005 9:46:31 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....)
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To: sgtbono2002
Poor thing lying blind and not knowing anything happeneing around her and so many wanted more years of this for her.

Just because the vision center of her brain was blind doesn't mean her brain couldn't have compensated somewhere else.

39 posted on 06/15/2005 9:47:03 AM PDT by Tamar1973 (Read the red! www.readthered.com)
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To: Sarah
"any signs of violence would have healed in the decade and a half that transpired since her initial coma."


Read that statement over about three times and tell me what you are saying.

40 posted on 06/15/2005 9:48:18 AM PDT by G.Mason (The replies made by this poster are meant for self-amusement only. Read at your own discretion.)
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To: Hank Rearden
The Terripalooza industry will be spinning like a top trying to obfuscate this one.

The fix was in, I tell ya!

41 posted on 06/15/2005 9:48:53 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: RedRover

That's a bit of statement, eh? By the time the ghoul sliced and diced her, she was 100% dead. Every bit of her.


42 posted on 06/15/2005 9:49:27 AM PDT by bvw
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To: aQ_code_initiate

Long term feeding tubes are evil.


43 posted on 06/15/2005 9:49:50 AM PDT by tkathy (Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)
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To: aQ_code_initiate
Medical facts are irrelevant to the Terri Schiavo camp followers.

What do you mean by "camp followers", and what "medical facts" are there that permit a judge in a civil proceeding to sentence to death by starvation and dehydration a person who has committed no crime?

Cordially,

44 posted on 06/15/2005 9:51:00 AM PDT by Diamond (Qui liberatio scelestus trucido inculpatus.)
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To: sgtbono2002
Poor thing lying blind and not knowing anything happeneing around her and so many wanted more years of this for her.

Just because the vision center of her brain was blind doesn't mean her brain couldn't have compensated somewhere else.

45 posted on 06/15/2005 9:52:10 AM PDT by Tamar1973 (Read the red! www.readthered.com)
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To: blogblogginaway
"The brain weighed 615 grams, roughly half of the expected weight of a human brain,"

Considering that she died of intentionally inflicted starvation and DEHYDRATION, is it any wonder that her brain was half the size of a normal brain?

We have to remember that this is from the WaPo, not a credible news organization, so they might find it convenient to omit certain, necessary facts.
46 posted on 06/15/2005 9:53:10 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: knowledgeforfreedom
"As to the "fractures," that idea came from a bone scan which showed "hot spots." Those may indicate healed fractures, but can come from other causes, such as inflammation."

And by your own words, kwfrfr, you spike your own hand. There is the evidence: As you say the "hot spots" may indicate healed fractures and those kind of fractures can be cause by strangulation. You are too cute by half.

47 posted on 06/15/2005 9:54:05 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Tamar1973
Just because the vision center of her brain was blind doesn't mean her brain couldn't have compensated somewhere else.

Like that guy on Star Trek with the shiny hairband over his eyes?


48 posted on 06/15/2005 9:54:11 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: My2Cents

Stop putting everyone in the same category. It is an insult to all disabled people.


49 posted on 06/15/2005 9:54:12 AM PDT by Hildy ( The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue)
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To: Dawgreg
Being a non-conspiracy theorist, I'd have to say it is a cover up.
50 posted on 06/15/2005 9:54:50 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....)
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