LULAC: civilian patrols xenophobic

There is a bit more to it that this...

Clifford Alford
* is the leader of a group called the New Mexico Minutemen
* was appointed to this leadership post by James Chase

Cliff is well aquainted with the border, the BP and local Law Enforcement in the area. Cliff is also being supported by TxMinutemen, which is run by a committee of all AZ MMP CommandCommunicationsCenter vets. Cliff will be clearing his people through background checks and that will be at cost or free.

Mike Gaddy
* is leading the "Minuteman Project" in New Mexico
* says that Alford was not part of the MMP's monitoring project in Arizona

Ok, Mike Gaddy was a sector chief in Sector 1 near Seria Vista in April. He is the front end guy for Chris Simcox in NM. Has been since exactly 2 days after Cliff did his press release. If ya want to go look through your bio's for Chris Simcox, he will nick you for $50.00 to do a "background check" that is worth about five bucks.

James Chase
* is from California
* he claims he's a Minuteman in good standing who helped the group plan patrol tactics in Arizona
* per Mike Gaddy, Chase was a member of the Minuteman Project but was ousted because leaders accused him of behaving like Rambo

James Chase was not "ousted" by anyone, much less Gaddy, JC is running BorderWatch projects in the California area. He very much so worked the planning of extra patrols during the AZ projects and was quite good at it. James Chase is a Rambo? Nope. Just a combat vet. BUT, I would certainly keep on hand on my wallet when Chris is around...

As far as anyone being the "official" MMP for any given area, I suppose I could declare that I am the "official" watcher of my back yard. It would mean about as much. Chris does not have a copyright on sitting in a lawn chair with binoculars and a radio. He does seem to have a habit of intimidating new volunteer groups. If such groups do not use the exact phrase "Minuteman Project" in their name they are not infringing on Chris in any way. I would encourage such groups to contact James Chase in California or the TxMinuteMen folks, they will get sound advice and instruction. They will also save their team a heck of a lot of money.

There is a bit more to it that this...

All I was doing was a brief summary about the three men from the related thread. Between the two articles, it sounds like a "he said/she said" sort of thing between the border groups with the ACLU hating both of them.

Cliff is well aquainted with the border, the BP and local Law Enforcement in the area. Cliff is also being supported by TxMinutemen, which is run by a committee of all AZ MMP CommandCommunicationsCenter vets. Cliff will be clearing his people through background checks and that will be at cost or free.

I'd never heard of him until this thread. Do you know why he's ticked off with the MMP in Arizona? Did Simcox annoy him? The article posted in this thread had this and it's not a very accurate description of the MMP in Arizona:

Clifford Alford, leader of a group called the New Mexico Minutemen, claims that members of the Minuteman Project -- a group that drew international attention in April when volunteers showed up in Arizona to patrol the border -- like to run around in paramilitary uniforms and carry assault weapons.
"They really don't give a rip about anyone's civil rights," he [Alford] said. "We want our effort to be more humanitarian."

I'd never heard of him until this thread. Do you know why he's ticked off with the MMP in Arizona? Did Simcox annoy him? The article posted in this thread had this and it's not a very accurate description of the MMP in Arizona:

First, I am definitely not critiquing you or anyone else, not everyone could be lucky enough to land in big fat middle of the MMP as it cranked up from last October to StartDay to on into the Project.

I don't think it is so much him being crossways with anyone on the AZ project. Probably more like Chris is throwing out is usual "if you ain't working for me you ain't "official" at Cliff and his team. Cliff is working in his own "backyard." Seems like Chris thinks you gotta have "official" status to look through your own bio's and call BP on your own cell phone.

Also, no it is not a very accurate description of the MMP in AZ, therefor I am a bit hesitant on how accurate the claims are about what Cliff said. I primarily wanted to convey that most of the new groups are addressing a local problem. They really do not need to be knighted "official" by Chris, as the only thing Chris seems to be addressing lately is his bank deposits. I could very well be wrong and I hope I am but I am pretty close to this and can tell there is an incomplete picture being painted.

Well, I guess I was not too far off the mark. Just heard that a number of Cliff's team dropped out today because.... Chris harrassing Cliff about being "official." In other words, sending Chris money to have background checks run on Cliffs team. I hope Chris is proud of what he can do with tossing a few words around. Cliff is just trying to get a bit of work done in what amounts to his own back yard.

Hello to all..,

who is this wannabe moron? is he alford or the other guy?

we have him as:

WILL ANDERSON, 417-962-5761, RR3 Box 654, Cabool, MO 65689

then as the Alford persona: see http://www.prophecykeepers.com/alford2.html ( or are we dealing with 2 phoney psycopaths and scam artists? )

Doesn't matter which one he is - the alford persona's military record so far are fake.

Most who receive this are american indian who he has tried to scam.. maybe you have more on these leaches of tradition as well as badly needed resources of the tribal communities.

Read below the following for the sicko's bio. ( some are probably very familiar with it - unfortunately)

we are going to nail him and take him down legally.. he is a wannabe CIA agent - just got the confirm on that from Keith Hall former real deal CIA op. I doubt he was SF any where, and probably in the end never served.

To the news media who receive this - we will ask real deal vets meet with you to confront this fraud if need be. Till then you should meet with him and ask him to sign a form for full disclosure of his military records. While your at it - can you please email me a set of cyber rollerskates so I can keep up with superman II..

he will be listed at http://www.want2be.info soon. What we need to know is what his real name is so we can start looking at records - is he "Alford or is he W. Scott Anderson?

Former CIA Op says "FULL OF " IT""

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 07:24:29 -0700
From: "Keith Hall"
(you can go to the history channel onLine and do a search for Captain Crunch if you want to know more about Keith. )
Subject: Holly Shit Batman
To: "Joe Oliver"

Hi Joe,

Where to start on this guy?

Number one, there never was a "tactical anti-terrorist unit" or whatever in the Agency as a "forerunner" to Delta or anthing else. Terrorism wasn't even a high point any ANY federal agency until 9-11.

Yes DELTA was formed after the Carter Dissasters, etc. but this guy if 10000000% full of bullshit. And no I never saw him.

Judging from his educational credits he must have a full time printer on his staff to create all these worthless diplomas and certificates. And if he has received them from some fly by night wacho group they are worthless pieces of paper (except maybe as a fire starter).

If I had the time I would track them all down and see if any are even recognized by any accreditdation organization. But I highly doubt it.

He is one mental case.....

Vietnam Veterans against The War

CONTACT US TO JOIN VVAW - Southern New Mexico Chapter & Affiliate of PeaceAware

"David Boje" Las Cruces peace@peaceaware.com - Boje Essay on Iraq War Syndrome Oct 2 2003
"Fermin F. Torres" Las Cruces ftorres@zianet.com
"Kelley Elkins" Las Cruces kelley@anextstep.org
"Paul Borunda" . phb45@aol.com
"Dr. Clifford N. Alford" Las Cruces - prefers not to email
http://www.peaceaware.com/documents/VVAW.htm

Hijacking Identities:

it also appears at one time this man below assumed the identity of one:

Dr Grant Gartrell from Australia (lol) who stated:

GRANT GARTRELL, PO Box 27, Mount Compass 5210, Au

"Several people have recently contacted me, and thus have drawn my attention to claims being made in my name concerning the prediction of imminent cataclysmic cometary impacts.

"Please be advised that I have no knowledge of the identity of the person "Aussie Bloke" who claims to be me.

"I am very displeased to be caught up in a hoax in this way, and while I do not regard myself as a vindictive person, I do not think that I would be too upset at this moment if a small "personal sized" heavenly body fell out of the sky and flattened "Aussie Bloke", or at least knocked some integrity into him.

"I am one of the authors of an article on meteors which appeared in the Australian Journal of Physics in 1975, but, although still interested in it, have not worked actively in that field much since that time. I am currently a berry grower with a serious interest in cave exploration, cave science and cave tourism development and management, as well as the landcare movement and the promotion of sustainable agriculture and horticulture.

"There are a number of claims made by "Aussie Bloke" in his hi-jacking of my persona that are plainly incorrect and make it quite clear that he does not know me as well as he would like others to believe.

And Fraudulent Solicitation Here:

William Scott Anderson, otherwise known as Blue Otter, began soliciting donations over the Internet in 2001 for the legal defense of what he was claiming was an issue of Religious Persecution concerning the violation of American Indian civil rights.

The incident Mr. Anderson claimed was an American Indian Issue, actually took place during the execution of a federal search warrant conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms (ATF) in connection with an investigation by local law enforcement over the failure of an associate of Mr. Anderson to register in his community, as is required by federal law in connection with a previous 1990 conviction for a sexual offense concerning a minor.

Mr. Anderson was present during this raid where over 17 illegal firearms were confiscated by authorities that was in the possesion of the individual in question. This then led to a Grand Jury Indictment concerning the illegal possession of these firearms by the convicted sex offender to which the felon then later entered a plea of guilty as charged.

During the time prior to the entered plea of guilty by the defendant, William Scott Anderson was in fact soliciting money donations online for the Legal Aid of this convicted sex criminal under the guise of a Cherokee American Indian cause while making the claim that the ATF raid was actually a result of religious persecution of American Indian people.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Hi, Noted you were SF and CIA
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 03:35:21 -0500
From: Joe Oliver
To: prophecykeepers@yahoo.com

Hello,
A friend passed your website on to me.. very interesting..

I was looking at your military history outline at your website.. and noted you were SF and CIA - the later during a time a friend of mine served with the agency as an op. Did you happen to know a former namvet/marine turned spook named Keith Hall? while you were "walking your walk" in the covert life? He done his job so good I thought they were going to crown him with thorns and nail him to a cross. They tried, but he was too modest. (lol)

You also have more biblical credentials than "carter has little liver pills" LOL even a set of jewish credentials ( rabinical ) and on the later I'd love to hear about that trip.

What was your SF role, where and when - never know who is on our list that might have served with you and may be trying to contact you. I also blind copied Keith in - case you guys are buds ... LOL.. he can read about your experiences below.. wouldn't that be a trip if you both worked together? ( I do not pass around commercial web sites BTW - so I am sending him the pertinent info..) Did ya ever work with SEAL during your escapades?

Been a while since I been on the rez.. you inspired me to make a call or visit.

Hope to hear soon..

You wrote:

Dr. Clifford N. Alford began his training at five years old, when his Grandmother, a Texas Cherokee Medicine Woman recognized his interest in herbs and the ways of Mother Earth. She taught him an average of two to three months per year for the next fourteen years.

Clifford volunteered to serve in the United States Army in 1974. At the end of his training, he spent four years with the Regular Army, five and a half years with the U.S. Army Reserves, and three and a half years with the Central Intelligence Agency's Tactical Anti-Terrorist Force, a predecessor of Delta Force. During this time, he proudly served in the U.S. Army Special Forces, the 1st Cavalry Division and the 95th Division Maneuver Training Command as well as TATF.

Over the next five years, Dr. Alford worked as a Correctional Officer with the Oklahoma Department of Corrections and worked with the Federal Bureau of Prisons. Today he continues to serve in the area of corrections as the Spiritual Advisor for the Native Americans incarcerated in the Oklahoma State Penitentiary, a high maximum security prison.

Following his time with the Federal Bureau of Prisons, Dr. Alford worked as a counselor and ministry director before moving into a more specialized area of counseling victims of occult-related crimes, and training police officers to investigate those crimes. This work took Clifford throughout the United States, Mexico, and to El Salvador, where he lectured on the subject to the National Police, El Salvador's version of the FBI, and assisted in some of their anti-terrorist activities. He returned home to the United States in 1991 to convalesce from injuries resulting in the loss of his gall bladder and five pieces of his small intestines.

Throughout all of this time, Dr. Alford continued his formal education as well as being mentored for eleven years in the spiritual practices of the Eastern Band of the Cherokee People. During his convalescence, Clifford did independent contract work as a Loss-Control Engineer, and then entered into the full time practice of Cherokee Medicine which involves the living and teaching of all the Cherokee culture.

Dr. Alford holds classes bi-weekly in his home in Baton Rouge, LA, serves as the Ceremonial Leader for the Dancing Bear Band of the Yunsai Medicine Society, and teaches seminars throughout the United States. Clifford also teaches both Anatomy and Physiology and Herbology twice per year at the Oklahoma School of Natural Healing in Tulsa, OK.

Dr. Alford's formal education includes an Associate of Arts degree in Sociology with emphasis in Criminology from Rose State College; Diplomas in Ministerial Studies, Bible and Doctrine, Church Ministries with emphasis in Education, Specialized Ministries with emphasis in Education and a teaching certificate from Berean College of the Assemblies of God; a Bachelor's Degree in Ministry, and a Master of Ministry degree from North American Biblical Seminar; a Master of Ministry Degree in Christian Counseling from Christian Bible College; a Doctorate in Bible Knowledge from the United Christian International Bible Institute; a Doctor of Sacred Theology Degree (Th.D.) from International School of Theology, a Doctor of Divinity (D.D.) from the Church and School of Wicca; Master Herbalist Degrees in both the Cherokee and European traditions from Natural Health Alternatives; and a diploma in Biblical Polemics from the Jerusalem Institute of Biblical Polemics.

Clifford is also credentialed as a Rabbinical Para-professional by the United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, and has certificates as a Reiki Master in both Usui and Karuna Reiki; is an Eighth Degree Initiate to Astara, is a medicine chief of the Sidda, and is an ordained minister by both the Church of Wicca and the Inner Light Church of God. He is also a member of the Foundation of Shamanic Studies and the American Correctional Association.

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Looking over the whole.. he's probably ripping off Minuteman Money ..

He needs to be brought down.