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Boy, 3, found dead in day-care center van
cnn ^ | 6/7/2005 | ap

Posted on 06/07/2005 1:10:14 PM PDT by SamFromLivingston

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To: Kaslin
What gives you this idea?

The fact that there was a several-hour gap between the time that the kid should have been dropped off, and the time the cops were called. Seems to me that a normal parent would be making calls when he was an hour late (and probably still alive).

That said, I can actually see how this would happen -- small kid falls asleep, strapped in the car seat in the way back of the van. Driver forgets he's there, parks, and leaves. The rest is history.

41 posted on 06/07/2005 1:33:26 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: SamFromLivingston

Nothing worse than when a child suffers.


42 posted on 06/07/2005 1:33:41 PM PDT by JackDanielsOldNo7 (Jack Daniels is so good you can feel a straight shot all the way to your toes.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
No accident.

The driver, with full awareness, choose not to make the turn for the little boy's stop. Then he choose not to take the boy to his home, although he was fully aware that he did not drop that child off, the child was still on the bus.

No accident here.

43 posted on 06/07/2005 1:34:53 PM PDT by mother22wife21 ( Cameron Poe: Put... the bunny... back... in the... box.)
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To: SamFromLivingston

I've always drive older cars. But my son just bought a used 1997 Chrysler Concorde.

It has a rear door lock system with "child protection"

If it's enabled it doesn't matter what age you are - YOU CANNOT GET OUT OF THE BACK DOORS NO MATTER WHAT. The rear doors can only be opened from the outside. The mechanism can only be enabled or disabled with the DOOR OPEN.

Could this have been the case?


44 posted on 06/07/2005 1:34:53 PM PDT by George from New England
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To: Idisarthur
As a parent I don't understand this.

Then again, I work 12 hours a day so I'm grateful for any time I get to spend with my children.

46 posted on 06/07/2005 1:35:41 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: Kaslin
neglect, disregard?

They didn't miss the kid for 5 hours. Maybe they were working 80 hours in Industry for a big fatty paycheck.

47 posted on 06/07/2005 1:36:19 PM PDT by Idisarthur
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To: Old Lady
That's ridiculous. There's no way a car manufacturer can do this or ought to have this responsibility. This was a DAY CARE van and all too often it is a child's own PARENT who forgets the child in a locked car.

All of these types of cases demand charges to be brought (and too many don't).

What you advocate is a nanny solution and the sort of legal liability no manufacturer would dare take on short of a government mandate.

48 posted on 06/07/2005 1:37:19 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Remind Liberal Cowards Why America Freed Iraq: http://massgraves.info/)
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To: mother22wife21

I wonder if he was not meaning to kill the child but was punishing the child for some reason.


49 posted on 06/07/2005 1:37:33 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: mother22wife21

I don't agree. The child probably fell asleep and was overlooked as a result.

You are claiming this was First Degree Murder?


50 posted on 06/07/2005 1:37:59 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Walkingfeather

That is our mantra, much to my in laws chagrin. They are always bugging me about sleep overs and big trips to the zoo with my oldest son (3 1/2). My FIL has health problems and my MIL has a problem with common sense. Besides, after 3 hours of an afternoon with him, she needs to go to bed at 8.


51 posted on 06/07/2005 1:38:38 PM PDT by WV Mountain Mama (Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.)
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To: American Butterfly

That's a good point. People might become dependent on the device and sue the manufacturer if it malfunctioned. I also agree that we all need to be more attentive and responsible.

However, I still think it's a good idea. Like seatbelts and airbags, of course there is a downside, but overall the good outweighs the bad.

A safety feature to remind people a carseat is snapped in with a kid would save lives. It probably would not have saved a three year old, but it would save infants.

It could be a feature you chose when you bought your car. The device could be imaginative -- a loud sound that went off if you opened the driver's door and the seat was snapped in is only one idea.

My car has lights and noises when I don't put on my safety belt, and other lights if I leave a door open. Why not lights and a bell when a car seat is left snapped into the car??


52 posted on 06/07/2005 1:39:10 PM PDT by Old Lady
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To: American Butterfly

Bingo.
The engineers are suggesting these sorts of things all the time, and the lawyers are file those suggestions in the circular file. If there is a guilty party, it is the lawyer/insurer/politician.


53 posted on 06/07/2005 1:40:20 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Okay, don't agree.

Put what degree you want on it, but there are no degrees to death. Dead is dead. Murder (which this was) is murder.

We both have kids. I know how I would look at this, and you've indicated how you would look at it. We disagree.

54 posted on 06/07/2005 1:42:51 PM PDT by mother22wife21 ( Cameron Poe: Put... the bunny... back... in the... box.)
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To: SamFromLivingston

Prayers for that little boy and his parents.


55 posted on 06/07/2005 1:44:15 PM PDT by One_American
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To: Kaslin
What gives you this idea?

I have a young kindergartener. I cannot imagune any circumstance in which I would have allowed five hours to pass from the time she was due home before taking action to find out where she was and why she was late.

If I had a baby sitter or relative waiting for her because I was out, I would certainly have called from wherever I was to check that my daughter got home safely long before five hours had passed.

When she was only 3, I would have been even more vigilant.

Say what you want about the bus driver, who should certainly pay criminally for his negligence.

But bottom line it that this tragedy is the parents' fault, plain and simple. No excuses. None. They should be charged with negligent homicide for their failure to take action.

56 posted on 06/07/2005 1:44:37 PM PDT by Maceman (The Qur'an is Qur'ap.)
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To: SamFromLivingston

Every year something like this happens. {groan}


57 posted on 06/07/2005 1:45:23 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: new cruelty
hmmmm, would be interesting to find out if the two had a 'history' of difficulties. Good point.
58 posted on 06/07/2005 1:45:50 PM PDT by mother22wife21 ( Cameron Poe: Put... the bunny... back... in the... box.)
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To: Old Lady

If you make a device like that an *option* then the idiots who need reminding will not get the device. It won't happen without a gov't mandate.


59 posted on 06/07/2005 1:46:33 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Remind Liberal Cowards Why America Freed Iraq: http://massgraves.info/)
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To: Old Lady
Car manufacturers need to make something that will alert drivers when a kid is left in a van or car. Car seats that would plug/snap into something that made a noise, or SOMETHING.

How bout something revolutionary like a parent at home, and school districts designed so that most kids walk back and forth to school?

60 posted on 06/07/2005 1:46:33 PM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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