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Treating Doctors as Drug Dealers: The DEA's War on Prescription Painkillers
CATO.ORG ^ | JUNE 5, 2005 | Ronald T. Libby

Posted on 06/06/2005 8:17:01 PM PDT by CHARLITE

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To: CHARLITE
Word up to the DEA - the lorazepam that my doctor prescribes to me is for a reason. It keeps me from losing my composure and firing at you for f*****g with my doctor.

See the symbiotic relationship here? Now, go find a meth lab in some redneck's single-wide. Seems that it's about the only thing you impotent bull pizzles can wrassle with, without either hurting someone, violating someone's civil rights, or making complete federal embarassments out of yourselves.

'War on drugs.' Who is kidding whom?


21 posted on 06/06/2005 9:04:40 PM PDT by Viking2002 (.............needs more cowbell.)
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To: Nachoman

But don't you feel safer now?


22 posted on 06/06/2005 9:05:09 PM PDT by Americalover
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To: tahotdog

"140 years ago there were no drug laws, and there were no meaningful drug problems"

Wrong!

Long History of Drug Use in Human Societies

* ETOH: 10,000 years
* Coca: Thousand's of years
* Marijuana: over 10,000 years
* Peyote: Pre-Columbian


23 posted on 06/06/2005 9:16:08 PM PDT by JeffersonRepublic.com (Free Northern California... Great State of Jefferson)
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To: devane617

Who ever said that marijuana wasn't addictive? other than potheads or enabling fools? Not everyone that smokes it is an addict but many addicts smoke it and depend on it for their next high. Reality what a concept. The shame about smoking pot is that so many people are more scared about living life on life's terms rather than self medicating themselves into oblivion. Pot is an hallucinogen in origin. Smoking pot isn't cool. Its a cult of stupidity


24 posted on 06/06/2005 9:17:35 PM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com

"Drug use" and "drug problems" are distinct things. Every society has widespread drug use and fringe drug problems. We humans love our intoxicants, and no war on some drugs is going to stop that.


25 posted on 06/06/2005 9:32:10 PM PDT by ellery (The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts. - Edmund Burke)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com

I said there were no MEANINGFUL drug problems 140 years ago, and that's a fact. There were no drug problems so gigantic that there wasn't room in our prisons for ordinary criminals because of all the people in on bullshit drug charges for instance.


26 posted on 06/06/2005 9:39:22 PM PDT by tahotdog
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To: CHARLITE
What I can't seem to swallow is the fact that drugs to relieve pain exist but because of all the paranoia it's very difficult to get any relief from a Dr.

I've went to the Dr. with terrible pain and their answer would be to "take 4 Advil" even after I've told them I've taken the max dosage with no help. If opiate type drugs are manufactured and are made to block pain what is the issue? It really isn't bad for you unless you take massive amounts on a daily basis.

With the issue I just cited I remember joking with my wife about how I could just go by some marijuana and not have to visit a Dr. or have a prescription. Never got any though, I wouldn't have a clue who to get it off of lol.

End the illogical... yes ILLOGICAL war on drugs. The criminals are still doing whatever it is they do while people with legitimate issues literally suffer...... In a way it reminds me of the whole gun control debate.
27 posted on 06/06/2005 9:39:26 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: tahotdog
In America 140 years ago there were no drug laws, and there were no meaningful drug problems. How bright does anybody need to be to figure that one out?

That would be about 1865 ... did you ever hear of the WCTU? Or how about the laudanum problems, or the patent medicines that had high levels of morphine?

There were drug & alcohol problems, which led unfortunately to the over reaction of prohibition.

Drugs and alcohol were part of the problem that the Methodist revival in Engalnd was addressing. Why do you think the Methodists are so keen against alcohol? They weren't in the habit of inventing things to have movements against back then.

28 posted on 06/06/2005 9:42:21 PM PDT by slowhandluke
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To: Haru Hara Haruko

"In America 140 years ago there were no drug laws, and there were no meaningful drug problems"

Of course, drunkenness was rampant - no need for expensive imported products when "john Barleycorn" would do.


29 posted on 06/06/2005 9:48:17 PM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: CHARLITE

This amounts to an invasion of personal medical records and Dr-Patient confidentiality. This places bureaucratic review and oversight of Doctors decisions to treat pain with anything stronger than tylenol.


30 posted on 06/06/2005 9:48:57 PM PDT by o_zarkman44
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To: slowhandluke

The Temperence Movement grew out of the problems that the urban classes had with alcohol ...

"Why do you think the Methodists are so keen against alcohol? They weren't in the habit of inventing things to have movements against back then."

And so it goes.


31 posted on 06/06/2005 9:50:25 PM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: tahotdog
I said there were no MEANINGFUL drug problems 140 years ago, and that's a fact. There were no drug problems so gigantic that there wasn't room in our prisons for ordinary criminals because of all the people in on bullshit drug charges for instance.

Full jails might not have been a problem here, as we had the West, but England was busy shipping folks away for minor theft. The Fatal Shore: "For 80 years between 1788 and 1868 England transported its convicts to Australia." They were too busy to do more than let the drunks lie in the gutter.

Here, we had other problems, like cholera and typhoid epidemics in the cities. We also let the drunks fall by the wayside. That's why the WCTU got started, as a Progressive movement to save the children. The cheapest way was to just sober up the parents, one way or the other. Either knock them sober, or knock a hole in their kegs.

There's a book, called something like "The good old days weren't so good". It covers some of the gritty details your history books apparently did not.

32 posted on 06/06/2005 9:52:58 PM PDT by slowhandluke
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To: WOSG
And so it goes.

I'm afraid I don't understand your comment.

33 posted on 06/06/2005 10:02:21 PM PDT by slowhandluke
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To: CHARLITE

The major issue as I see it is that, frankly, lots of doctors DO over-prescribe narcotic pain meds. I can't say how many people I know who have been prescribed Vicodin or other similar narcotics for things that just weren't painful enough to necessitate it (pulled teeth, sprained ankles, that kind of thing).

In the end, they take one or two and then have a full bottle sitting around for weeks, months, or years. A lot of that ends up being stolen by or passed on to other people.

Then those of us who suffer from severe chronic pain end up with doctors who won't prescribe effective painkillers for those slightly more nebulous conditions (fibromyalgia, endometriosis, chronic back injury, nerve damage etc.) that tend to cause severe chronic pain. The government is breathing down their necks and when you write a scrip like that and can't point to a bump on someone's head as the reason for it, you get monitored as a possible drug dealer.

The same general type of thing has happened with antibiotics. People are so slap-happy about throwing antibiotics at a problem that doesn't need them that now they're becoming ineffective. For what? So a doctor didn't have to spend the time explaining that Pencillin doesn't make colds go away?


34 posted on 06/06/2005 10:04:16 PM PDT by logocentric (A woman needs a gun like a fish needs water.)
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To: Servant of the 9
or maybe the WOD trash just likes the idea of hundreds of thousands of people in constant excruciating pain

The Cult of Suffering loves it!
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35 posted on 06/06/2005 10:04:27 PM PDT by mugs99
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com

Drug use does not always constitute a drug problem. The drug problem is the problem the regulators have. The drug problem is a REVENUE figure for police, and a REVENUE figure for taxes that could be collected except that illegal use or manufacture bypasses the tax collection grids that fuel the regulators.

Drugs, as in any substance use or behavior pattern do not always have a predictable outcome, but for the most part, societies that have condoned drug use have had excellent reasons why the drug should be made available to "responsible" usage.


36 posted on 06/06/2005 10:04:44 PM PDT by o_zarkman44
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To: A CA Guy
has connections to schitzophrenia

Baloney!
Like I said before, anyone who believes that hogwash believes there are albino alligators in New York's sewers!
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37 posted on 06/06/2005 10:09:31 PM PDT by mugs99
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To: marty60
"I get sick of people that know nothing of chronic pain trying to make laws with regards to it's treatment."

That IS the reality of this whole issue. Anyone who has EVER suffered from chronic pain understands the importance of having safe, appropriate and effective relief. Talk about "rights!" If modern pharmaceutical research has developed these medications, then what are they for? Doesn't the citizenry have a right to pain relief, if the products are available?

Thanks for your contribution to this very critical subject.

Char

38 posted on 06/06/2005 10:19:58 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: slowhandluke
the Methodist revival

Prohibition, both alcohol and drugs, has always been based on religious morality. Exageration, myth and dogma has always trumped truth, science and fact. That was true then and it's true today.
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39 posted on 06/06/2005 10:22:12 PM PDT by mugs99
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To: mugs99

It's all over the net from different sources and studies.

Here's just one link with references I found in a second from google.

http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/node/7804


40 posted on 06/06/2005 10:22:59 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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