Truer words were never said. This sums up the situation quite succinctly, good sir.
Posted on 06/06/2005 10:03:29 AM PDT by 45Auto
An anti-gun group in California says it is making progress on what it calls anti-crime bills.
The California Million Mom March is holding "lobby day" in Sacramento on Monday -- an occasion to urge lawmakers and the governor to turn two recently passed bills into law.
Those two bills include SB 357, which would require that all handgun ammunition bought and sold in California have serial numbers engraved on it.
According to the California Million Mom March, "When someone buys a box of bullets, the bar code and the buyers' identification will be entered into a state Justice Department database. Serialized bullets recovered at crime scenes will help police track the ammunition."
SB 357, sponsored by Attorney General Bill Lockyer, passed the California Senate last week on a 21-14 vote and now moves to the Assembly.
A second bill, AB 352, would require all new semiautomatic handguns sold in California after 2007 to be equipped with a "micro-stamping" system.
When the gun is fired, the bullet casing would be automatically inscribed with the firearm's serial number. The data on the gun also would be stored in an existing state Justice Department database
AB 352 passed the Assembly on a 41-38 vote and now goes to the Senate.
According to the California Million Mom March, the two bills will give police the evidence they need to capture criminals who use handguns to commit murders and other crimes.
"It's simple," said Griffin Dix of the California Million Mom March: "Do we want to catch murderers or not?"
Dix said law enforcement officers "are demanding these new crime-fighting tools to help them catch many more criminals who use handguns." He said in almost half of California murders, no arrest is made because of lack of evidence. Two-thirds of murders committed every year in California are committed with handguns, he added.
"If these proposals become law, police will get the tools they are demanding and Californians will be safer."
But Second Amendment supporters say California gun owners would be unfairly penalized if the bills become law.
That's because gun makers, faced with the expensive task of etching bullets and micro-stamping semiautomatic weapons, would either stop selling their wares in California or drastically raise prices.
"This legislation could essentially ban all semi-automatic pistols commonly used by California gun owners," said the Institute for Legislative Action, the "lobbying" arm of the National Rifle Association.
Critics also complain that the bills amount to a gun registration scheme.
Go ahead, it matters not to me. I am a potential felon many times over for the California gun laws that I willfully fail to comply with now. What's one or two more?
The government will be only as opressive as the people allow it to be.
Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars. (THR)
IN spite of the liberals, I'm going shooting myself soon. Only hard part is finding a good range around here.
"When the gun is fired, the bullet casing would be automatically inscribed with the firearm's serial number..."
The legislators and backers of the bill want the gun companies to R&D the technology and pay for its implementation. Sounds like an unfunded mandate.
Crazy Law.
ok, this is really lame.
how can they pass into law requirements which are physically impossible to follow? how can they even dare to attempt it?
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
Good for you.
""It's simple," said Griffin Dix of the California Million Mom March: "Do we want to catch murderers or not?" "
Sure, so when is she going to start calling for heavy duty safes to lock up those "Assault Knives" she leaves out on her kitchen counter in plain and easy access by children and minorities?
it is not only expensive, it is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE.
nothing precise enough and tunable enough to create such "microstamping" of UNIQUE SERIAL NUMBERS or bar codes is robust enough to survive more than a very few shots, if any.
To be a an anti-gun communist, one must believe that there is so much gun violence that we should ban guns, but if a person desires a gun for protection from all that violence then they are just being paranoid.
Yeah, the toughest gun laws in the country exist in Washington, DC. And those laws have not prevented thousands of murders over the years in the nation's capital. More laws of this nature, anywhere in America, will not make that jurisdiction safer. Hell, we can't even enforce the laws on the books now. How silly and stupid.
Psssst....tell these million mom boobs that criminals don't follow laws . They never have and never will.......
When the gun is fired, the bullet casing would be automatically inscribed with the firearm's serial number. The data on the gun also would be stored in an existing state Justice Department database
The case wouldn't be too hard to stamp. Either etch the chamber so that a serial number is left after the case expands during firing, or else have a microstamp on the firing pin.
Trouble is, like most liberal ideas, it may sound good to a layman to propose, but it would only take a criminal 30 seconds with a file to defeat either system.
Last time I checked, murder is against the law, yet people are still murdered in Kalifornia. Passing a law doesn't mean that bad people will comply.
The Second Amendment...
America's Original Homeland Security!
Be Ever vigilant!
Because the people making the laws are stupid. Or really smart. Make something impossible or very expensive to manufacture and suppliers and consumers will give up.
I'll answer that as soon as I am out of my transporter.
On the surface, that may be what these laws appear to attempt, however, their actual intent is to simply drive any firearm accessories necessary to shoot out of California. These are nothing more than back door, ersatz, gun confiscation laws by making a legal economic ban on ammunition.
Unless these laws can be found to violate the commerce clause.
How? just like they do with auto emissions laws. They pass them and it's up to car makers to meet them, which ends up costing you.
Let's see if the RINO Terminator has the sense to veto this foolish crap. These fool gun grabbers think of the most ridiculous stuff. If I was in charge of an ammo or firearm company I'd tell the whole state to screw. I wouldn't even sell anything to their government agencies. Hell I'd even have a recall to disarm all government agencies. Then build a fence on the California border and make it a big liberal experiment. They could even have John "Effen" Kerry for their president. California is even worse than the People's Republic of Taxachusetts.
any such chamber scoring would either be so faint that it'd be rendered useless through abrasion within one brick at the range, or would be so robust it'd make the weapon utterly unsafe/unreliable.
this concept is physically impossible to execute.
Check my tagline.
I heard a rumor that they are worried about sling shots. They have asked God to put serial numbers on all rocks. Oh wait, that would be a church state thingy.
In reaction to imminent passage of the anti-crime legislation Crips spokesman Juan Garcia-Gomez said, "I guess we jes choot em once and trow em away Heffe."
the emissions regs aren't *impossible* to follow, though they are unjustly costly.
this notion, on the other hand, is simply physically impossible.
I don't live in California-Thankfully-but if I did and someone wanted to confiscate my guns and ammo, I would give it to them..bullets first!!
While they're at it, why don't the Einsteins in the Kali legislature mandate that bullets must now be fitted with sensors that can, before leaving the barrel, determine if the target is flesh & blood and, if so, instantaneously transmit a brief to the 9th Circus Court in order to decide if the target is legitimate?
*snort!*
quiet - they might just try that if the thought occurs to them
I agree that the whole idea is unworkable from a Law Enforcement standpoint, but I was just doing a thought exercise.
I was thinking that the serial number would be engraved into the wall of the chamber, not protruding from it. The markings would be readable only by the non-uniform pressure exerted on the brass during expansion.
Maybe a name and address should be stamped on the brass with every shot instead?
No, it isn't impossible, but it's senseless. we already have a system to trace bullets to guns, it's called forensics. Each gun already has a "marker" because each gun wears slightly different than another the marks left on the casings and bullets are unique to the gun that fired them. This law proposal is just another example of some idiot smoking to much pot and trying to re-invent the wheel.
These laws are not confiscation in the true definition of the word. These laws simply make legal firearms and ammunition illegal. They're not designed to actually confiscate guns, but to make their possession illegal. No confiscation is necessary. They are designed to make gun owners 4/5's of a citizen.
Respectfully, I beg to differ. This law is very smart for the gun grabbers. If passed, it will make illegal 100% of the handguns in the State of California. If it works, other states are next.
Is is proven in Canada, the UK and wherever gun restrictions are tried, the criminal element proves over and over that they do not follow gun laws. So, any "law" they make in California arguing that it will reduce crime, that arguement is a LIE. The real intent is to disarm the population, not the criminal.
These loons on the left had better think about who they call Hitler, because it seems they are the ones who mimick things he did, like disarming the people.
Truer words were never said. This sums up the situation quite succinctly, good sir.
No it won't, just guns made after 2007. All others will be granfathered because they are made prior to that date. Plus it aplies only to auto loaders.
When murdering with a gun or otherwise becomes less of a crime than owning a gun, guess what happens to crime?
It's time to do it again.
And if their "Republican" governor signs the legislation, he needs to be exposed for the fraud that he is... Maybe it'll put an end to this idiocy of drafting "Ahnold" for President. Sheesh!
Go ahead, it matters not to me. I am a potential felon many times over for the California gun laws that I willfully fail to comply with now. What's one or two more?
"i feel you pain"
When the gun owners of this country that don't vote realize this fact, we might turn things around, but so many gun owners just don't vote, or vote other issues that favor gun control candidates.
In fact, when a crime happens, or a gun is stolen, the criminal without the numbers can sue the one in self defense. But the one in self defense cannot prove these were the criminal's bullets that were fired. This is so stupid.
But all in all this sums up to the 2nd amendment violations by the state of California. Government is meant to be limited because it is meant to secure the source as a force, and not to root for force alone.
The security of the source from government force and other criminal forces is very important. Thus it means being armed without being naked to the government and criminals with serial numbers and what not.
Let's see, a wheel gun and a file ought to do the trick.
Because they are totally crazy, totally committed Marxists, and totally secure in their districts. The RATs have set up their voting districts such that they can never lose. Consequently, they can do whatever the hell they can get away with. Arnold has already signed one asinine gun law - the Big 50 Ban.
and if they violate commerce clause.. then they will try to impose the bans nationwide.
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