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Drug Czar Favors Testing Teens
Miami Herald ^ | June 4, 2005

Posted on 06/04/2005 6:06:50 PM PDT by Wolfie

Drug Czar Favors Testing Teens

If school boards institute random drug testing in the public schools, the use of illegal drugs among teens would be sharply reduced, said John Walters, the director of National Drug Control Policy.

President Bush's drug czar has called for catching alcohol and drug abuse early in the teen population, particularly by instituting random drug testing.

Random drug screening is an effective measure that local school boards should consider adopting, said John Walters, addressing the National Association of State Alcohol and Drug Abuse Directors on Friday in Bal Harbour.

"[Random drug testing in public high schools] would dramatically change the face of substance abuse immediately," Walters said. Such a policy has been effective in the workforce and the military, he said.

"The question is: Why not apply this to young people?"

While public schools have free rein to conduct random drug tests at the high-school level, only two counties in Florida have opted to do so: Polk and Marion.

In 1998, then Miami-Dade School Board member Renier Diaz de la Portilla tried to launch a drug-testing pilot program in schools, but that effort failed.

"We haven't discussed that recently," said John Schuster, a spokesman for Miami-Dade County Public Schools.

Diaz de la Portilla's move would have paid for testing 5,000 high school students whose parents requested the tests.

But the School Board passed a watered-down version of the program, which required consent from the students.

Walters said it's "common sense" to focus on young people, who are more likely to experiment with drugs or alcohol.

Instead of seeing the tests as a punishment to the students, testing should be viewed as a "public tool," he said.

"I think this is a new area," Walters said. "There has been a lot of misunderstanding about drug testing in schools," he said, adding that he wants to spark school board-level discussion about testing and not push for a federal mandate.


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...adding that he wants to spark school board-level discussion about testing and not push for a federal mandate.

Oh, I bet he'll get around to that.

1 posted on 06/04/2005 6:06:50 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

I think his new title should be Drug Fuehrer.


2 posted on 06/04/2005 6:10:15 PM PDT by Sir Gawain (Jeb Pilate and the Republican Congress: Stood by while someone died)
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To: Wolfie

Okay, but make sure you test teachers too.

SURELY teachers' unions would support that, no? Why on earth NOT?!?


3 posted on 06/04/2005 6:10:44 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: SteveMcKing

Screw that. Test the Drug Czar.


4 posted on 06/04/2005 6:11:55 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

Drug Czar Favors Testing Teens

Stay the hell off my kids your blatant misuse of government power and free cheese has ruined my boys leave my others alone you bunch of red tape money hungering creeps !


5 posted on 06/04/2005 6:14:44 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (secus acutulus exspiro ab Acheron bipes actio absol ab Acheron supplico)
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To: Wolfie
Maybe we should simply get rid of the Fourth Amendment prohibition against unlawful search and seizure and the Fifth Amendment prohibition of self incrimination while we are at it. Do away with probable cause, search all homes and mail and force everyone to say whether they have done anything illegal, immoral or fattening and life will be grand.

More proof the WOD is a war on the Constitution IMHO.

6 posted on 06/04/2005 6:15:38 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (Never draw to an inside straight.)
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To: SteveMcKing
Okay, but make sure you test teachers too.

Hell, test the politicians too. After all, if we're serious about combatting drug abuse the most noble among us must set a good example, non?

7 posted on 06/04/2005 6:17:17 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: Sir Gawain

The pattern by which governments erode rights is to start with a subset of the population that garner little sympathy. Flood the popular media with images of ignorant and promiscuous teens fueled by hormones and rap music. Every other story is about youths and drugs. Get middle america to resent them and demand a solution. Then drop the ax. Goodbye America. It was fun.


8 posted on 06/04/2005 6:18:11 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Wolfie

That's my responsibility as a parent. If they want to test people for drugs, let them set a good example and start with politicians and other public servants first.


9 posted on 06/04/2005 6:19:02 PM PDT by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: Lizavetta

Why stop there, lets test everyone twice a month. We could help form hundreds of thousands of jobs, living off the hard work of the taxpayers. Papers please!


10 posted on 06/04/2005 6:24:02 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Wolfie

This will never happen.


11 posted on 06/04/2005 6:29:42 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Wolfie
The question is: Why not apply this to young people?"

Because you psychotic idiot (referring to John Walters), it is against the law. This scumbag needs to be fired now. The RNC is not getting another dime from me until this idiot is fired.
12 posted on 06/04/2005 6:30:18 PM PDT by microgood
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To: sgtbono2002

Tie it to highway funds, and its a done deal.


13 posted on 06/04/2005 6:31:43 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

Shucks, why not start at the pre-school level? Sheesh.


14 posted on 06/04/2005 6:35:07 PM PDT by Blue Champagne
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To: Sir Gawain

Drogeführer NDCP John Walters, you mean like that? It's interesting to note that the acronym for the nazi party is NSDAP(Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei). Just a peculiar observation.


15 posted on 06/04/2005 6:35:41 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Wolfie

Damn youre right, Hope they dont figure that out.


16 posted on 06/04/2005 6:41:10 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Wolfie

Why don't we start by testing Congress? That should stir things up a little.


17 posted on 06/04/2005 6:42:24 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: Wolfie

every day


18 posted on 06/04/2005 6:43:44 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Wolfie
Tie it to highway funds, and its a done deal.

LOL! - you're on a roll!

19 posted on 06/04/2005 6:45:41 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Lawgvr1955
Oh, let's not stop there. Let's strip-search everyone, and I mean everyone, who walks through the door of a public school. And DNA samples from everyone to make sure everyone is really who he says he is. Wait a minute! I've got an even better idea: let's keep the kids extra safe by keeping them locked up at school 24/7. That way we can indoctrinate them even faster, so they'll be even more amenable to these blatant violations of the Constitution. And no more junk food. That'll make the world safe for democracy. (sarcasm off)
20 posted on 06/04/2005 6:49:32 PM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: SpaceBar
Sounds like the "cigarette ploy". Remember that? The do-gooder lefties only wanted to stop cigarette smoking on "domestic flights shorter than...yada, yada, yada"!

Where'd that wind up? Christ, I think that they've got it now to where it's illegal to smoke in your own house in some places.

21 posted on 06/04/2005 6:50:20 PM PDT by skimbell
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To: Lizavetta
Until they show they are serious about this by testing every single person employed by any governmental body all the way from the President of the United States right down to the local dog catcher, they can just shut up about drug tests of any kind.

These statists are pushing their agenda by indoctrinating kids into accepting the notion that it's O.K. for the government to tell you to piss into a jar on demand. Once the kids think it's a-ok to do this without any probably cause whatsover, you're less than a generation away from some really evil stuff IMO.

In the name of full disclosure: If someone were to strap me down (because that's the only way this will happen) and extract a blood or urine sample from me, the only thing they'll find are traces of ibupropen (advil), and caffeine levels that would kill a medium-sized elephant.

22 posted on 06/04/2005 6:52:14 PM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies!)
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To: Lizavetta

I insist that all journalists, who report on this drug testing, also be drug tested.


23 posted on 06/04/2005 6:53:02 PM PDT by i_dont_chat
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To: Wolfie
What a joke. A "conservative" government official doesn't see anything wrong with forcing minors to provide the government with their bodily fluids to prove they aren't doing anything wrong?

This seems like one issue where liberals and most real conservatives would both be outraged. Unfortunately, I worry that there's such a divide that those two groups aren't even willing to talk, let alone work together, at a grassroots level.
24 posted on 06/04/2005 6:54:01 PM PDT by Turbopilot (Viva la Reagan Revolucion!)
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To: Sir Gawain

The crazy thing is, if you posted this on DU, you'd get substantially the same reaction you're getting here. It's maybe the ONE thing both sides agree on. So I have to ask, where's the constituency for this drug war BS?


25 posted on 06/04/2005 6:54:14 PM PDT by kms61
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To: skimbell
I'm going to rewrite my original post with a few changes...

The pattern by which governments erode rights is to start with a subset of the population that garner little sympathy. Flood the popular media with images of troll-like bloggers surfing political websites. Every other story is about politics and online news forums causing trouble. Get middle america to resent them and demand a solution. Then drop the ax. Goodbye America. It was fun.
26 posted on 06/04/2005 6:57:42 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Wolfie
"The question is: Why not apply this to young people?"

Because by 2008 there will be a large number of annoyed new voters wanting payback on this "public tool" and will then vote for Hillary.

27 posted on 06/04/2005 7:07:06 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (We shall yet make these United States a Moral Nation - The Rev. Elmer Gantry)
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To: Oztrich Boy

You put your finger on it:

Bush is losing core voters. Not solving immigration. Making good taxpayers bend over for the TSA anal probe, and now their children forced to pee in a jar for the government to test.

Woo hoo! THAT will make you crawl across broken glass to vote Republican, eh?


28 posted on 06/04/2005 7:15:38 PM PDT by Haru Hara Haruko
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To: Wolfie

There's a simpler way to protect kids against other people's drug-dealing kids: Abolish government schools.


29 posted on 06/04/2005 7:20:17 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Wolfie

is this another one of those chain smoking drug czars?


30 posted on 06/04/2005 7:21:28 PM PDT by bigsigh
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To: Wolfie
If school boards institute random drug testing in the public schools, the use of illegal drugs among teens would be sharply reduced, said John Walters, the director of National Drug Control Policy.

I'm all for it. If adopted, the use of government schools would be sharply reduced.

31 posted on 06/04/2005 7:22:10 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

What you said!

Paging Ron Kuby....Paging Ron Kuby... the VRWC needs your help to protect our kids!


32 posted on 06/04/2005 7:23:34 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: kms61

"So I have to ask, where's the constituency for this drug war BS?"

Er, that would be the dirty politicians as my Irish Grandma termed them.


33 posted on 06/04/2005 7:26:26 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: kms61
So I have to ask, where's the constituency for this drug war BS?

I'm certain the "All Dopers Should Be Hung And If You Don't Agree You Are A Morally Vacant LIBERALterian!" crowd will mosey on by shortly.

34 posted on 06/04/2005 7:31:20 PM PDT by Drew68 (IYAOYAS! Semper Gumby!)
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To: Sir Gawain

I must confess,the title of Drug Fuehrer has a certain ring to it.


35 posted on 06/04/2005 7:34:54 PM PDT by 11B40
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To: Wolfie

"Conservatives" can scare me, and sometimes even more than "liberals". And I fancy myself a proud conservative.

Maybe we don't want to be to big a party. Maybe you have to dilute the values too much to attract everyone to join.

People talk about the founding fathers and their intent when it suits their purpose. I cannot imagine that our founding fathers would want this in any way shape or form.

And what is the next logical step? I am not sure. Why not test everyone? And once you test positive, that is proof that you have broken the law. You are a criminal. Doesn't that mean fines, confiscation of private property and jail time? How could it not? You would be a criminal if you tested positive.

What happened to the party of smaller government?


36 posted on 06/04/2005 7:54:03 PM PDT by Milton Friedman (Free The People!)
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To: robertpaulsen

some more nonsense by your likeminded thinkers.


37 posted on 06/04/2005 7:58:56 PM PDT by bigsigh
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To: Wolfie
If school boards institute random drug testing in the public schools, the use of illegal drugs among teens would be sharply reduced, said John Walters, the director of National Drug Control Policy.

If these gestapo wannabees would shut down the border to illegal aliens, the use of illegal drugs among teens would be sharply reduced, says the average grade schooled American citizen...

38 posted on 06/04/2005 8:15:49 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park!!!)
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To: bigsigh
Nonsense? The author made a good point -- workplaces test employees for drugs. I assume you agree with that policy, correct?

Why not schools? Don't the taxpayers have a right to see that their hard-earned money is well spent on educating sober and drug free students?

You don't want to be tested? Fine. Then stop sucking the public teat and find a private school that doesn't test. Or homeschool. There are options.

39 posted on 06/04/2005 8:23:04 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Drew68
I'm certain the "All Dopers Should Be Hung And If You Don't Agree You Are A Morally Vacant LIBERALterian!" crowd will mosey on by shortly.

You know, I've seen that kind of post on various threads. I think a lot of the problem is that drugs can be detected through testing of bodily fluids. If it were possible to detect homosexuality, abortions, flag-burning, or Islamofascism via a urine test, and the government started insisting that good citizens take those tests to prove their "innocence", our so-called "social conservatives" would be marching on Washington.
40 posted on 06/04/2005 8:23:18 PM PDT by Turbopilot (Viva la Reagan Revolucion!)
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To: robertpaulsen

Actually, I agree with you. and in cities and along the highways we should have drug testing centers and pick folks out at random. In the future we will be able to monitor blood content when folks walk by a screen. Great stuff.


41 posted on 06/04/2005 8:26:40 PM PDT by bigsigh
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To: dljordan

If they test Warner for alcohol VA can relieve itself of a problem.


42 posted on 06/04/2005 8:32:33 PM PDT by Spirited
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To: SpaceBar
Drogeführer NDCP John Walters has a nice ring to it.
43 posted on 06/04/2005 8:33:26 PM PDT by Toliy
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To: SteveMcKing

teachers dont even have time to do drugs , what with all the sex with students and all...


44 posted on 06/04/2005 8:40:01 PM PDT by isom35
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To: Wolfie
basically, they should test the senior citizen groups first..

but we always want to go after the kids because they don't vote and don't seem to have any rights ....

but question whether a 85 yro should still be driving and its like blasphemy....

let's do until the middle aged and the old what we do to the young....and then see how we like it.....

45 posted on 06/04/2005 8:44:05 PM PDT by cherry
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46 posted on 06/04/2005 8:50:06 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: robertpaulsen
Don't the taxpayers have a right to see that their hard-earned money is well spent on educating sober and drug free students?

If the taxpayers had any rights vis-a-vis public schools, they'd have the right to decline to finance them. Taxpayer rights have nothing to do with Walters' proposal. And districts can already have a testing program if they want, but few do, so there's no evidence taxpayers are interested in testing.

47 posted on 06/04/2005 9:02:31 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Wolfie
"The question is: Why not apply this to young people?"

I have a better idea. Why don't we just slap a taser collar to every chidl when it begins to toddle around that sends an alarm signal to a governmental agency when their thoughts or actions are out of sync with governmental approved behaviors so they can be appripriately disciplined and their thinking redirected into government approved channels? < /sarcasm >

48 posted on 06/04/2005 9:21:11 PM PDT by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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49 posted on 06/04/2005 9:31:51 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (www.lp.org)
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To: Sir Gawain
I think his new title should be Drug Fuehrer.

From now on, that is how I will refer to the government head of Drug Propaganda....Drug Fuhrer

50 posted on 06/04/2005 9:48:18 PM PDT by TheOtherOne
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