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To: Mrs. Don-o
Flawed argument. IVF children of infertile couples are not deprived of their birthright through IVF. They would be deprived of their existence without IVF. No one does IVF for fun.
10 posted on 06/02/2005 8:02:38 AM PDT by ellery (The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts. - Edmund Burke)
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To: ellery; jwalsh07; Jaded; don-o
Flawed argument. IVF children of infertile couples are not deprived of their birthright through IVF. They would be deprived of their existence without IVF. No one does IVF for fun.

No, I never said or implied that people do IVF for fun. They do it to heal their fertility problem, because they want children. Both of those intentions are morally upright and entirely innocent. And we love to see babies born to parents who wanted them so much.

The problem is that the means they have chosen is sub-personal. It wouldn't matter if we were talking about veterinary medicine, the breeding of cows or dogs. But for human beings, baby-having is more than breeding: it has layers of meaning which specify us as humans, and which protect what it means to be human.

You can see it very clearly in this article, where the IVF provider --- in fact, thewhole "Reproductive Health" industry ---seems to be offended and aghast that the "Snowflake Adoption" people want to use the word "Adoption" rather than "transfer" or "acquisition" or "purchase" or something of the sort.

This is because the IVF providers know that if the embryo is recognized as a human person fully endowed with human dignity, then what they are doing is immoral. They are bringing human beings into existence under elevated-risk conditions. They are discarding (killing) many human beings. They are freezing many human beings (this also impose on them an elevated risk.) They will eventually kill many of the human beings they have frozen. And the selected, vetted salable ones, they will sell.

The total commoditization of human beings. Down the line, you will see this: the cloning, genetic engineering, and industrial biotech "manufacture" of human embryos. The reification, thing-ification of persons. The transformation of the the germ line into a product line.

You don't intend this. The people who are choosing IVF to have their babies don't intend this. But it's happening. In its initial stages, it's happening right now.

To adapt the wisdom of Edmund Burke, "The true danger is when human dignity is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts. " -

13 posted on 06/02/2005 9:21:52 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Human dignity... in parts)
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