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The Democrats' Class Struggle
washington post ^ | May 28, 2005 | Dan Balz

Posted on 05/29/2005 5:46:04 PM PDT by bitt

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To: FreedomSurge

If they are so much smarter than the rest of us, how come they don't make much money?


21 posted on 05/29/2005 7:04:26 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: CasearianDaoist

I think a better way to describe the class above middle class/upper middle class, is "affluent". Affluent people have a very good cash flow but do not have the inherited wealth that is typical of the Upper Class. A typical affluent person would be one who is the first in their family to attend college/get a great job and make a very good salary, but still need to work to maintain affluence.


22 posted on 05/29/2005 7:25:19 PM PDT by Panzerfaust
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To: Panzerfaust
You do not consider a Doctor to be middle class?

Maybe it is my age, but a doctor was the epitome of the middle class when I was a boy.

Upper middle class, but middle class.

Again, I think it is best to think of all of theis in income grouping, perhaps matched with tax brackets.

23 posted on 05/29/2005 7:50:02 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: CasearianDaoist

This class categorization is a lot like age -- 'old' is 20 years older than you are. 'Upper class' is 50K/year more than you make, or something like that.


24 posted on 05/29/2005 8:02:13 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: GSlob

I think $75K is "lower-upper-middle." 85K is "middle-upper-middle." Of course. 100K is the dreaded "upper-upper-middle" because that is the income which the Left has decided is evil.


25 posted on 05/29/2005 8:06:01 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Of all the idiots I've known in my life, none of them were retarded (W. Earl Brown - "Warren," SAM))
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To: bitt

No sweat for the Dems: All they need to do is lower everyone's income. They've undoubtedly already figured it out.


26 posted on 05/29/2005 8:18:21 PM PDT by mtntop3 ("He who must know before he believes will never come to full knowledge.")
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To: bitt
The Democratic Party is going to be Chiraqed!

Spelling of "Chiraqed" is intentional.

27 posted on 05/29/2005 8:28:42 PM PDT by Chgogal (Pinging 72 virgins. Pinging 72 virgins.)
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To: glowworm
Our country is a classless society

Who ever tought you that? The US has classes like other countries. What differentiates us is that there is greater mobility between classes. Work hard and with a little luck you advance. Squander your opportunties or have incredibly bad luck and you can fall into the next lower class.

28 posted on 05/29/2005 8:41:19 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: freedumb2003
Well, I am in favor of an [absolutely arbitrary] opinion that if measured in after-tax income in some hypothetical place with average [for the US] cost of living the class boundaries could be:
lower class: <20K;
lower middle: <40K;
properly middle: <70K;
upper middle: <120K;
lower upper (doesn't one love the name?) <200K
and so on. It is about 70-75% up before one goes into the next pay grade. One needs to make corrections for the family size (say, lowering the numbers by 25% for a single person), for the local cost of living and for the taxes. Thus, 100K after taxes would make about 70K.
29 posted on 05/29/2005 9:05:13 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: mozarky2
In my experience, people who leave the Dim party lately are mad as Hell-they've finally figured out the Dims have been playing them for fools. These are votes that the Dims have lost forever.

I br to differ. The Dem cool-aid drinkers are still sipping from FDR's and LBJ's swill. Karen and I have told our children (26 and 24) they're toast. They'd better save as much as they can in their 401k's and eat dog-food for the next ten years using the only private savings plan that makes any sense... I could rant on, but there's no point.

30 posted on 05/29/2005 11:04:53 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: glowworm
You are correct. Maybe you've read the book "The Millionaire Next Door" which reveals that eighty percent of todays millionaires (total wealth) didn't inherit it. Most of these millionaires also live very unremarkable and unostentatious lives.

According to the authors, a high percentage of the flashy types, many with high incomes, do not know how to manage their money and as a result often end up having little to show for all their years of high earnings. They look "rich", but often do not have the accumulated wealth of the non-flashy real millionaires who have built their wealth by not wasting it on expensive homes, cars, clothes, jewelry, etc.

The real millionaires also invest and plan very well. And many have yearly incomes that are under one hundred thousand dollars. But they know what to do with what they have.

31 posted on 05/30/2005 2:17:07 AM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.qiyouqque)
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To: Racehorse

"Pretty quick you start to see that $86,000 is most definitely outside the middle class."

In NY and SF, 86k a year gets you a 1 bedroom apartment that you have to share with someone. In Iowa, 86k gets you a 4 bedroom, 2 1/2 bath, 2 car garage home with 3/4 acres of land and property taxes of 1200 a year.

I live in central NJ. My mortgage is 1/2 ofthe 86k a year. Which doesn't include property taxes over 13k a year to boot.

That's the difference.

23k a year in NYC is poverty.



32 posted on 05/30/2005 5:41:35 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
In NY and SF, 86k a year gets you a 1 bedroom apartment that you have to share with someone. In Iowa, 86k gets you a 4 bedroom, 2 1/2 bath, 2 car garage home with 3/4 acres of land and property taxes of 1200 a year. [. . .] 23k a year in NYC is poverty.

Not much argument from me.

In November 2003 the medium annual income for all occupations for the State of New York, covering something more than 8 million workers, was approximately $33,000.  The mean annual income for the same category was only about $42,000.  Even if you double the income to approximate a two person family income, you still fall way short of your $86,000 a year NYC 1 bedroom apartment dweller.

I don't think the extreme deviations cause anyone to toss out the statistical picture.  The bottom line is, even in New York, an $86,000 annual medium income is on the high end of personal income for New Yorkers and the United States.  And, I don't think we'll ever find a large, representative group which will precisely mirror any statistical image.

33 posted on 05/30/2005 7:34:48 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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