Vivian Ryan LoCicero: Come to Daddy
Posted on 05/26/2005 9:45:58 PM PDT by Coleus
NEWARK, N.J. -- From the moment they held hands, pledged their love and signed documents in New York registering themselves as domestic partners, Kimberly Robinson and Jeanne LoCicero considered themselves a family.
And when they decided to have a baby through artificial insemination, the Essex County couple wanted the courts to consider them one as well.
On Wednesday, they got their wish. In a first-of-its kind ruling in New Jersey, a judge granted LoCicero full co-parenting rights to the baby Robinson bore, without having to go through lengthy adoption proceedings.
Thus, they will both be listed as parents on the birth certificate of little Vivian Ryan LoCicero, who was born on April 30, once the document is issued.
"We're thrilled," LoCicero, a staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey, said Thursday. "We always felt like a family; now it's nice to know the court thinks we are one, too."
"We are relieved that we won't have the uncertainty and fear about whether our daughter would be protected if something happened to one of us," added Robinson.
Robinson and LoCicero registered in New York as domestic partners in 2003 and got married in Canada last summer. They bought a house together and decided they wanted to have a child together. Robinson was impregnated using sperm from an anonymous donor.
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Father of child
Baster, Turkey
ping to self for later pingout.
Blech.
This is about the dumbest thing I ever heard of.
Sure this isn't Massachusetts?
Thus, they will both be listed as parents on the birth certificate of little Vivian Ryan LoCicero, who was born on April 30, once the document is issued.
Isn't this just the sweetest thing?
Sick, perverted ruling.
Vivian Ryan LoCicero: Come to Daddy
Baster, Turkey
My first child was born with the help of science.
Be respectful. The fact that a lesbian couple did this and somehow got it legalized shouldn't indict the millions of hetero couples who may have never had children w/out this procedure.
poor child.
Yeah, all children who have scientific help for conception don't deserve to live.
Put anything you like on the birth certificate you selfish narcissistic libs. It's ALL ABOUT YOU. The fact you are screwing up a kid forever really doesn't enter into it does it? That's beside the point isn't it. Let's change right and wrong and all of society to fit our immature wants and needs.
grumble....grumble.... Sorry, when selfishness and stupidity reign it gets my Irish up.
No mention of the gender of the baby? I'm not going to take the name "Vivian" at face value with these types.
What's the point?
Yeah, all children who have scientific help for conception don't deserve to live. >>>
Are you for real? Where did I say that? Turkey basting was made for just that, basting turkeys.
This is a perfect example of what is wrong with the courts.
This couple didn't try to get legislation passed. No, they simply went to a nitwit judge, who promptly decreeed one of these two women to be the man, I guess. God only knows who's name went on the certificate as "Father", all jokes aside.
The court should have tossed the case without so much as a hearing. The courts should not be facilitators for this kind of errant nonsense.
Get a grip.
Who indicted millions of heteros?
This has nothing to do with heteros, hence my comment in jest.
This is child exploitation.
Looks like more baster-dization of the nuclear family sanctioned by a court.
Who's your Daddy now, Turkey. ;-)
I could give birth and list Santa Claus as the daddy. It means nothing as far as who the biological parents are.
Remember during childhood when every child wondered for a moment whether they were adopted and mom and dad pulled out the birth certificate to prove it to you? Well...over the years, the birth certificate has lost it's legitimacy as being evidence of one's true parentage. Now...it's just a document wherein the mother can list just about anyone as the father....or in this case...co-parent.
The document will be factually incorrect, and therefore useless. Doesn't the judge care about that at all? Does he not understand the purpose of such documents is to assemble information based on facts, not on 'feelings'? It's not a birth announcement, for cryin' out loud...it's for record keeping purposes. Or at least they used to be.
Yes, those are rhetorical questions. It's obvious the judge was bitten by a rabid moonbat long ago and has the venom coursing through his bloodstream.
This is another reason to scorn the Slimy Sucker Seven for their 'compromise'. They are perpetuating exactly this type of idiocy.
What do they do on Thanksgiving Day? Eat cornflakes? Or bring out big daddy to add help add flavor to the stuffing.\
the nuclear family will, some day, be a thing of the past.
Rosie O'Donnell is actually a man, isn't he? I mean, he must have been so pleased to hear that Kelli Carpenter was pregnant and he wasn't shooting blanks.
..........father of child,???? or second mother of child??
GOD HELP US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just didn't find the Turkey Baster references funny at all.
Sorry for having an opinion. Deal with it.
No, just in poor taste
So true! Without any genetic contribution whatsoever, the court rules that this lesbo room mate is a co-parent? We're watching a judicial circus of invented values.
Sadly, heterosexual couples started this nonsense of conceving a child in a lab as if creating a life was a scientific process rather than a procreative mystical act.
Its not the child's fault - just like its not the child's fault if he is conceived in rape. The child should not be killed or maltreated because he was ill-concieved. But that does not excuse the selfish act of the parent(s).
His parents demanded he be custom made in a lab - with some siblings created as spares that have already been killed off or frozen indefinitely.
Why is it that adults can be so damn selfish and never consider the consequences to the children of their actions.
It's in no more poor taste than lesbians who would try to pass themselves off as 'normal' like most of the rest of us.
This may be news in New York but it is not news. Most states can have a Pre-Birth Order in place before a baby is born, and Parent 1 and Parent 2 can be placed on the birth certificate.
The California Supreme Court just heard arguments on just this type of issue.
There will be many many such cases in the future as the nuclear family is under assault from all sides, all so they can be considered or granted 'normal' status in society.
Who has more standing when a couple divorces, and what of the child then?
Don't skirt the point here. You debase a medical process that scores of ""normal:"' women have had, including, perhaps, posters on this board. How about posting something more thought provoking?
Obviously biology, i.e. the genetic contribution of the parents, has no standing anymore.
It is not a birth certificate, it is a birth statement.
The court has entered never-neverland on this ruling. I hope this ruling is subject to review.
I'll say the same thing I said to Carling earlier.
Get a grip. Trying to have these lesbians seek normalcy is a good trick and a Judge fell for it.
Oh, and speaking of skirting the "issue", I took it head on. You just don't like my take is all. I never said anything derogatory towards any others who may have been artifically inseminated but it sure rubbed you the wrong way for some reason.
It must have been pretty thought provoking for you if you wish to belabor my quip, whether it was in bad taste or not.
Oh, btw, you can do a search for my alias and see all kind of thought provoking articles and such I have posted over the years here at FR.
I bet you voted for aRnie, huh? (just a hunch)
Not Mass. but the asshole state of New Jersey---where I left over ten years ago after living there since WW2---maybe it and the rest of the east coast will fall off like Californicator and the rest of the west coast
Maybe he does, but that medical process debases the natural process of reproductive biology. In fact, all medicine is a perversion of biology and any human manipulation is not natural.
Asking a male friend to donate sperm, and then using a turkey baster to impregnate your lesbian partner is deadly serious, but I hesitate to call it a "medical process."
It is a cruel process to create a child while pretending that fathers are optional.
Not so sure about that John. They may have designed it to be a real quandry.
I dated a girl in college that went to the dark side. Her girlfriend gave the ovum to be fertilized and the one I knew had them implanted.
It ain't pretty, but who do you disenfranchise?
So much for reality.
dang fly on my screen...
Yeah, I agree, but that's not the issue here. A Birth Certificate is a record of the blood parentage of a child, not a feel-good award for the baby's scrapbook. The names recorded on the birth certificate need to be the names of the two people who contributed their DNA to create the child, and no one else.
"thinking themselves wise, they became fools..."
Oh...don't apologize to me. I'm not bothered in the least. I just think your sensitivity to the subject is getting in the way. It happens to the best of us at times.
Wow. Talk about a negative outlook on life. You are confusing artifical insemination with IVF.
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